All Blacks vs Scotland
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@nostrildamus job done, he got 2 kicks in.
It is just fucking ridiculous, isn't it?
Heck, I can see the logic in many of Foster and his coach's decisions, though I might not agree with them, but the (non) use of Perofeta does my head in
I'm a bit surprised about your head.
Steve's first test - we lost at home for the first time ever against Argentina. I don't see that bringing on a debutant to replace either our premier first five or premier fullback would have improved our chances. They brought him on when the game was done - which was possibly a bit crass.
Then he got a game against Japan and didn't have a great outing.
This week - same deal as the first. They either brought on Steve or backed their 100+ test first five to turn his game around.
Far from the first rookie, who's had to spend the whole test on the bench watching when things aren't going to plan.
Given last weekend's selections at halfback, this game from last year is quite interesting in that regard - Perenara playing the whole 80 minutes, while Christie watched from the bench.
I bet Norm Hewitt isn’t very sympathetic to his plight
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@MN5 John Hart would have bollocked him for disrespecting his superiors.
Not that it's Steve who's complaining - Steve Perofeta anyway.
Yeah didn’t Hewitt have a scrap with Ian Jones and Hart shouted “don’t touch MY test player ? “ or some shit like that ?
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@MN5 Something like that.
He publicly roasted Norm for dissent when finally NH got a start and then Hart hooked him for Fitzy.
Stuck at home with COVID for the week, could be a good time to read Norms book again. Still by far the most interesting of any AB book I can think of by far.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@MN5 Something like that.
He publicly roasted Norm for dissent when finally NH got a start and then Hart hooked him for Fitzy.
Was that the game at Wembley(?) when Fitzy's knee was shit and all he could do was hobble around on it?
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@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I'm sick of these people on here claiming we need to find a second option to JB.
So your answer is not to bother about any back-ups at 12 and just play Jordie there and give bugger-all thought to managing his workload?
The only problem with that is what you do (apart from blaming Foster for being an idiot for not developing MF options) if/when Jordie gets injured.
Listen to yourself FFS. We have 10 tests or so. Potentially our greatest pairing had something like 30-40 in a partnership over 6 or 7 years to become O for awesome. Wats your suggestion? Keep playing alternative 12s for the next fucking 10 tests until we find JBs* back up? We don't have fucking time because Foster has been shit for the last 3 years. We're a year behind in our development. Ideally all this shit would have been sorted last year. It's fucking unbelievable you're still advocating for a merry-go-round in selections to search for backups for the backups with 10 tests to go. We either lock in our combinations now and hope to gel as a unit OR keep this rotation of selection going until the QF against SA or Ireland. Because it worked out fucking well in 2019.
While your point has some validity it is also throwing all the eggs in one basket and, as pointed out, those advocting this approach would also be first in the queue to complain about a lack of contingency panning.
Yes, we know DH's limitations and that he is second choice (at best). What we also need to do is play situations that adjust around those limitations in case he is called on. In other words, would you play the same plan with JB as DH?
Certainly decide if JB/RI is the first choice paring and give then plenty of time together. What @Victor-Meldrew was suggesting is that you also have to plan for things going wrong at the same time. Sometimes that may mean a start for someone else or a shuffle.We don't have time ffs. 10 tests. TEN is what we have between now and a QF exit. We had time in 2020 and 2021. Now we don't.
You seem to be getting a bit stressed about this. Considering none of us are party to training data, playing data,knowledge of niggling injuries, knowledge of personal leave etc etc maybe just see how it pans out?
I'd think that next year a key 23 will be used as much as possible but there will be the occasional need to deliberately give someone in the squad time if it doesn't come 'naturally'Na I'm super psyched about a coach who doesn't appear to give 2 fucks about time left and continuity.
And for some reason think that demanding he follows your thinking from an internet forum despite not having even half the information he does will somehow set the rugby world to rights?
What?
Just pointing out that you are going on and on about the same thing as if you think someone is listening.
By the way, you know that JB/RI midfield that was so brilliant against Oz? They had only played about 15 minutes as a combo before that game. Yep. Not 62 games.
My fucking point. They need as much game time as possible between now and the QF FFS.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Yeah this chopping and changing is such a great idea. Fucking change my mind.
Ma'a Nonu played something like 70 tests at 12 and 62 of those were with Conrad Smith. Jordie B has had 2 and looks a million times better than that headless chook Havili. We're 10 tests away from a QF but yeah, keep changing the fucking team.
Since 2015 we've been looking for centers. Hansen fucked the team around all the way up to the SF in 2019. Foster has done the same. Finally find a potential candidate and he won't be played 2 tests in succession.
For all the doom and gloom in this test, the Jocks are gifted a PT (DP was blocked from making a tackle and the ball ingoal makes a huge dogleg to the left, not probable in my book but hey) and Mr Indecisive gift wraps and pass right into the hands of the Jocks.
And what happens if we put all our eggs in the Jordie basket, he gets injured and we don't have back-ups with reasonable experience.?
You can say that about any number of players from every single team in the world. That's just the nature of the beast. This obsession NZ has with trying to have 2 players in every position with loads of test experience is absurd and is really hurting us as our top team rarely gets consecutive games together. We are just shooting ourselves in the foot with this while other teams build combinations.
Not really talking about having 2 players in every position, more about having a viable and reasonably seasoned option if a player gets injured - e.g.12. We don't currently have that and are running out of time to deliver it.
You want more time developing a backup than a starter? Fucking mindless.
It's not binary. Try actually reading what I wrote rather than throwing your toys out of the pam because I don't agree with you.
Its exactly what you said, pam.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I'm sick of these people on here claiming we need to find a second option to JB.
So your answer is not to bother about any back-ups at 12 and just play Jordie there and give bugger-all thought to managing his workload?
The only problem with that is what you do (apart from blaming Foster for being an idiot for not developing MF options) if/when Jordie gets injured.
Listen to yourself FFS. We have 10 tests or so. Potentially our greatest pairing had something like 30-40 in a partnership over 6 or 7 years to become O for awesome. Wats your suggestion? Keep playing alternative 12s for the next fucking 10 tests until we find JBs* back up? We don't have fucking time because Foster has been shit for the last 3 years. We're a year behind in our development. Ideally all this shit would have been sorted last year. It's fucking unbelievable you're still advocating for a merry-go-round in selections to search for backups for the backups with 10 tests to go. We either lock in our combinations now and hope to gel as a unit OR keep this rotation of selection going until the QF against SA or Ireland. Because it worked out fucking well in 2019.
Jeez, talk about getting emotional, personal, hyperbolic & putting words in my mouth.
It doesn't matter if Ma'a & Conrad played 70 Tests together and were awesome or whether Foster has been shit or not. That's irrelevant to the current problems in midfield. And where did I suggest "Keep playing alternative 12s for the next fucking 10 tests until we find JBs* back up"? Where did I " advocate for a merry-go-round in selections to search for backups for the backups with 10 tests to go."? Please tell me.
The issue I raised was: If JB's the answer at 12 and we need to give him as much game time as possible, how is he managed & what happens if he gets injured? How do the coaching team manage that risk?
Rather than engage, your response it to deny there's a risk or situation to manage and respond by telling us Foster is shit, Ma'a and Conrad were great, make up stuff I'm supposed to have said, and tell us there's only 10 Tests to go before the 2023 Quarters. Says it all really.
You think he's going to be over worked by playing 10 tests next year? After the summer break and a managed Super comp?
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Interesting game. Possession was king and both teams struggled a bit on defence with the pace of the opposition. Scotland had the advantage of playing together a bit more, but their last quarter was decidedly "meh".
Looked like they'd emptied the tank by about 60 minutes, having run the ABs ragged. I don't think it was their bench that lost them the game tho, as much as the inability to hold possession and give it to the big Saffer on the wing enough in the last 20.
Scots would be a bit unhappy with:
- the knock on called against DvdM which allowed the away side some much needed ball and territory. Looks like that was a call from Andrew Brace, who is not high on the list of quality referees. The other AR, but contrast, was a mute.
- The YC against Dempsey - might have been let go by another ref as a knock on in the tackle - certainly did his best to make it look like a tackle
- The penalty against WP Nel for boring in, late in the game. Bower folds in, drops his bind, and hits the deck. But yeah that was definitely Scotland's fault for angling in on their own ball
Overall tho, they didn't show enough ambition. You don't beat the ABs kicking penalties, and once they had a 6-point buffer they should have gone for the corner and tried to get another try. Overly conservative either from Townsend in the planning room, or Ritchie out on the field. Losing Watson early would have also sucked.
ABs got a bit of their own medicine in terms of defending a fast, accurate team. Similar to Japan I guess. The presence of ALB was good bar a little period either side of his yellow card, where he looked like he was knocking the rust off.
A bit of talk about Jordie at 12. Maybe that is where to go, because I watch Havili and never see much more than "workmanlike" in what he does. Back row had a great run at points, but didn't get much play as Scotland headed wide and the turnover opportunities dried up.
AB set piece did pretty well and the maul was strong both on attack and defence.
Starting halves didn't get much time with the ball, but the regular dinky crossfield kicks and chips are a black mark against Beaugan. Once he started running to the line and passing things looked better.
Mark Telea is fucking great to watch. The guy has sublime balance and footwork through contact. Wish he was an Aussie.
Frank Murphy looks like a jaded school teacher who only agreed to referee because the other guy didn't turn up. It was piss funny seeing him tell Papali'i "I've got to stand somewhere". Dalton should be well aware that using the ref as a blocker is an age-old tradition
Tony Johnson can bitch as much as he likes about "elbows on the ground" but the fact is most of the turnovers by both sides were purely about a lack of support players in the cleanout. He kept repeating it, like a mantra, until it became the truth in the very narrow gap between his eyes. He is the Ian Smith of rugby commentary, without the sense of humour.
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I'm sick of these people on here claiming we need to find a second option to JB.
So your answer is not to bother about any back-ups at 12 and just play Jordie there and give bugger-all thought to managing his workload?
The only problem with that is what you do (apart from blaming Foster for being an idiot for not developing MF options) if/when Jordie gets injured.
Listen to yourself FFS. We have 10 tests or so. Potentially our greatest pairing had something like 30-40 in a partnership over 6 or 7 years to become O for awesome. Wats your suggestion? Keep playing alternative 12s for the next fucking 10 tests until we find JBs* back up? We don't have fucking time because Foster has been shit for the last 3 years. We're a year behind in our development. Ideally all this shit would have been sorted last year. It's fucking unbelievable you're still advocating for a merry-go-round in selections to search for backups for the backups with 10 tests to go. We either lock in our combinations now and hope to gel as a unit OR keep this rotation of selection going until the QF against SA or Ireland. Because it worked out fucking well in 2019.
Jeez, talk about getting emotional, personal, hyperbolic & putting words in my mouth.
It doesn't matter if Ma'a & Conrad played 70 Tests together and were awesome or whether Foster has been shit or not. That's irrelevant to the current problems in midfield. And where did I suggest "Keep playing alternative 12s for the next fucking 10 tests until we find JBs* back up"? Where did I " advocate for a merry-go-round in selections to search for backups for the backups with 10 tests to go."? Please tell me.
The issue I raised was: If JB's the answer at 12 and we need to give him as much game time as possible, how is he managed & what happens if he gets injured? How do the coaching team manage that risk?
Rather than engage, your response it to deny there's a risk or situation to manage and respond by telling us Foster is shit, Ma'a and Conrad were great, make up stuff I'm supposed to have said, and tell us there's only 10 Tests to go before the 2023 Quarters. Says it all really.
You think he's going to be over worked by playing 10 tests next year? After the summer break and a managed Super comp?
Yeah you're right. There's absolutely no point in bothering about a backup to Jordie at 12 as there's zero risk that a player will get injured, ill or need a rest.
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I'm sick of these people on here claiming we need to find a second option to JB.
So your answer is not to bother about any back-ups at 12 and just play Jordie there and give bugger-all thought to managing his workload?
The only problem with that is what you do (apart from blaming Foster for being an idiot for not developing MF options) if/when Jordie gets injured.
Listen to yourself FFS. We have 10 tests or so. Potentially our greatest pairing had something like 30-40 in a partnership over 6 or 7 years to become O for awesome. Wats your suggestion? Keep playing alternative 12s for the next fucking 10 tests until we find JBs* back up? We don't have fucking time because Foster has been shit for the last 3 years. We're a year behind in our development. Ideally all this shit would have been sorted last year. It's fucking unbelievable you're still advocating for a merry-go-round in selections to search for backups for the backups with 10 tests to go. We either lock in our combinations now and hope to gel as a unit OR keep this rotation of selection going until the QF against SA or Ireland. Because it worked out fucking well in 2019.
Jeez, talk about getting emotional, personal, hyperbolic & putting words in my mouth.
It doesn't matter if Ma'a & Conrad played 70 Tests together and were awesome or whether Foster has been shit or not. That's irrelevant to the current problems in midfield. And where did I suggest "Keep playing alternative 12s for the next fucking 10 tests until we find JBs* back up"? Where did I " advocate for a merry-go-round in selections to search for backups for the backups with 10 tests to go."? Please tell me.
The issue I raised was: If JB's the answer at 12 and we need to give him as much game time as possible, how is he managed & what happens if he gets injured? How do the coaching team manage that risk?
Rather than engage, your response it to deny there's a risk or situation to manage and respond by telling us Foster is shit, Ma'a and Conrad were great, make up stuff I'm supposed to have said, and tell us there's only 10 Tests to go before the 2023 Quarters. Says it all really.
You think he's going to be over worked by playing 10 tests next year? After the summer break and a managed Super comp?
What a hilarious post. Quoted a whole bunch of clear explanation as to why someone has a different view to yours then pick on one word out of it an make up a strawman.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
That final part would make sense if they were looking to blood a backup 12. You can hardly claim that Havili hasn't had plenty of tests there
Two different arguments there. The first is whether you play JB in every Test and hope he doesn't get broken - which is a big risk based on the death-wish that playing in an AB midfield seems to be - and the second is whether DH is a viable backup at 12.
If anything Havili should have played at 15 to see what he actually offers to the squad now that JB apparently has a lock on 12.
Maybe they wanted an experienced 15 to start and didn't think DH was that player? I fully expected DH or Perofeta to move to 15 and Jordie to 12.
I'm confused about the first part. I could understand this argument if Jordie was rested. But he wasn't so the risk is still there and he's in the wrong position.
The point is about the need to balance giving Jordie game time at 12 while developing other players if he gets injured or needs resting. That's bloody difficult with RWC2023 10 games away. No-one is saying he should be wrapped on cotton-wool and shouldn't have played on Sunday.
If WJ was available and the coaches had enough faith in Perofeta or DH at 15, I think Jordie would/should have started at 12.
Playing Jordie at 15 was both a safe option and it gave them the chance to give him time with ALB in midfield if we'd had the game under control.
Again, that argument only makes sense if you're selecting a rookie or inexperienced player to develop. That's hardly the case with Havili. Balance to be would be resting JB or at least having him on the bench. That certainly wasn't balance the other day.
But I guess it all goes back to coaches having to trust players, rather than give them 50 seconds when the game is won. Or at least select them to start and have the safe players on the bench if it all goes to poo.
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I'm sick of these people on here claiming we need to find a second option to JB.
So your answer is not to bother about any back-ups at 12 and just play Jordie there and give bugger-all thought to managing his workload?
The only problem with that is what you do (apart from blaming Foster for being an idiot for not developing MF options) if/when Jordie gets injured.
Listen to yourself FFS. We have 10 tests or so. Potentially our greatest pairing had something like 30-40 in a partnership over 6 or 7 years to become O for awesome. Wats your suggestion? Keep playing alternative 12s for the next fucking 10 tests until we find JBs* back up? We don't have fucking time because Foster has been shit for the last 3 years. We're a year behind in our development. Ideally all this shit would have been sorted last year. It's fucking unbelievable you're still advocating for a merry-go-round in selections to search for backups for the backups with 10 tests to go. We either lock in our combinations now and hope to gel as a unit OR keep this rotation of selection going until the QF against SA or Ireland. Because it worked out fucking well in 2019.
While your point has some validity it is also throwing all the eggs in one basket and, as pointed out, those advocting this approach would also be first in the queue to complain about a lack of contingency panning.
Yes, we know DH's limitations and that he is second choice (at best). What we also need to do is play situations that adjust around those limitations in case he is called on. In other words, would you play the same plan with JB as DH?
Certainly decide if JB/RI is the first choice paring and give then plenty of time together. What @Victor-Meldrew was suggesting is that you also have to plan for things going wrong at the same time. Sometimes that may mean a start for someone else or a shuffle.We don't have time ffs. 10 tests. TEN is what we have between now and a QF exit. We had time in 2020 and 2021. Now we don't.
You seem to be getting a bit stressed about this. Considering none of us are party to training data, playing data,knowledge of niggling injuries, knowledge of personal leave etc etc maybe just see how it pans out?
I'd think that next year a key 23 will be used as much as possible but there will be the occasional need to deliberately give someone in the squad time if it doesn't come 'naturally'Na I'm super psyched about a coach who doesn't appear to give 2 fucks about time left and continuity.
And for some reason think that demanding he follows your thinking from an internet forum despite not having even half the information he does will somehow set the rugby world to rights?
What?
Just pointing out that you are going on and on about the same thing as if you think someone is listening.
By the way, you know that JB/RI midfield that was so brilliant against Oz? They had only played about 15 minutes as a combo before that game. Yep. Not 62 games.
My fucking point. They need as much game time as possible between now and the QF FFS.
Are you reading whole posts or just skipping to the part you want?
Were JB and RI good in their first game together? Yep. Go back to the thread and you'll find all sorts of superlatives, not about their eventual promise but how good it was right then.
Point is that it didn't take 62 games, or even a dozen, to get there.
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@NTA said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Starting halves didn't get much time with the ball, but the regular dinky crossfield kicks and chips are a black mark against Beaugan.
Brilliant. Beauganvillea Barrett. Looks pretty from a distance but scratchy up close and damn hard to dislodge.
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so, things that stood out when watching the replay
DH, he was pumping his legs on attack.....then threw that intercept...and just trotted back, there was no urgency to try and make up for his mistake, he gave up the second he saw it go to hand, poor
Dalton was great, everywhere
at about half time i was thinking Savea had been present but not everywhere like he has been most of the season....and then he was EVERYWHERE in the second half
Perofeta came on and his kick for touch was the best all game, tight angle and carved off 50m, it use to be just our open play kicking that was rough but kicks for tough from BB were either not out or about 20m
I thought akira was very quiet but saw some say he was doing good work so will accept i just missed it
Tela - someone picked on form, did really well, ALB - someone picked on reputation or past form...looked rough...food for thought
Are we afraid of possession? no confidence we can keep it? why do we kick it away so much? i was always taught winner always want the ball, sayings like "earn the right to go wide" became saying for a reason, build some phases, draw in more defenders, create the mismatches...then try the fancy stuff
There was a play late in the game where we kicked up upfield and the scottish wing took it on the chest, it went about 5m backwards...and he got pinged for a knock on, that was harsh
we were lucky, the scottish yellow was harsh, personally it looked accidental so just a knock on but would have understood a penalty...but yellow? we want players to wrap arms but then give them yellow cards if they wrap too wide?
We did not play as well as we could...but scoland did really well and that was cool to watch
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
we were lucky, the scottish yellow was harsh, personally it looked accidental so just a knock on but would have understood a penalty...but yellow? we want players to wrap arms but then give them yellow cards if they wrap too wide?
somewhere in a small dank Scottish bar perched precariously on the edge of the Highlands a Scottish fan is muttering into his malt "that AB definitely aimed for his hands when he passed."
These things happen. But look at the tackler's eyes-he was looking at moving past the runner before and at time of contact. Almost like he had something to judge in his peripheral vision. Could have been a canny piece of rugby.
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
We did not play as well as we could...but scoland did really well and that was cool to watch
Yes Scowland will fancy their chances next time they play us.
This is the slow burning genius of Foster and co. come the RWC from Scowland to Japan and Italy everyone will misunderestimate us. -
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Yeah this chopping and changing is such a great idea. Fucking change my mind.
Ma'a Nonu played something like 70 tests at 12 and 62 of those were with Conrad Smith. Jordie B has had 2 and looks a million times better than that headless chook Havili. We're 10 tests away from a QF but yeah, keep changing the fucking team.
Since 2015 we've been looking for centers. Hansen fucked the team around all the way up to the SF in 2019. Foster has done the same. Finally find a potential candidate and he won't be played 2 tests in succession.
For all the doom and gloom in this test, the Jocks are gifted a PT (DP was blocked from making a tackle and the ball ingoal makes a huge dogleg to the left, not probable in my book but hey) and Mr Indecisive gift wraps and pass right into the hands of the Jocks.
And what happens if we put all our eggs in the Jordie basket, he gets injured and we don't have back-ups with reasonable experience.?
You can say that about any number of players from every single team in the world. That's just the nature of the beast. This obsession NZ has with trying to have 2 players in every position with loads of test experience is absurd and is really hurting us as our top team rarely gets consecutive games together. We are just shooting ourselves in the foot with this while other teams build combinations.
Not really talking about having 2 players in every position, more about having a viable and reasonably seasoned option if a player gets injured - e.g.12. We don't currently have that and are running out of time to deliver it.
You want more time developing a backup than a starter? Fucking mindless.
It's not binary. Try actually reading what I wrote rather than throwing your toys out of the pam because I don't agree with you.
Its exactly what you said, pam.
You have to be seriously lacking in basic comprehension skills if you think my view that we need to develop Jordie and provide a reasonable backup option if Jordie gets injured, equates to me arguing for developing the backup option over Jordie as a starting 12.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Again, that argument only makes sense if you're selecting a rookie or inexperienced player to develop.
Or combinations.
