All Blacks vs Scotland
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I don't see how having Barrett start at 15, Havili start at 12 and for them to swap would give Perofeta game time though.
Two minutes in heaven is better than one minute in heaven.
"All Blacks: Ian Foster to give Stephen Perofeta more of an opportunity in the end-of-year tour"All Blacks: Ian Foster to give Stephen Perofeta more of an opportunity
All Blacks coach Ian Foster feels he owes" utility back Stephen Perofeta more of an opportunity in their end-of-year tour.
So he's starting against England then?! -
@nostrildamus job done, he got 2 kicks in.
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
It's because it would be a completely bizarre selection process unless you're playing Nicaragua.
Pretty sure it happened with Mils and Cullen.
I don't see how having Barrett start at 15, Havili start at 12 and for them to swap would give Perofeta game time thoug
Havili subbed. Perofeta to 15
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Pretty sure it happened with Mils and Cullen.
As I always say in court, proof or it didn't happen.
The second scenario makes sense.
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@nostrildamus job done, he got 2 kicks in.
It is just fucking ridiculous, isn't it?
Heck, I can see the logic in many of Foster and his coach's decisions, though I might not agree with them, but the (non) use of Perofeta does my head in
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Heck, I can see the logic in many of Foster and his coach's decisions, though I might not agree with them, but the (non) use of Perofeta does my head in
It aligns with quite a few selection issues though (front row, DP, midfield). It shouldn't be frustrating by now I guess.
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Heck, I can see the logic in many of Foster and his coach's decisions, though I might not agree with them, but the (non) use of Perofeta does my head in
It aligns with quite a few selection issues though (front row, DP, midfield). It shouldn't be frustrating by now I guess.
Yeah, but you can see what he's trying to do with his selections and where he might be going wrong (being too loyal is one) and stuff like easing RTS in as he has minimal RU experience makes some sense.
But WTF is the point of bringing someone on for two minutes?
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Steve And if NZR aren't careful they will lose the most successful SR coach that has ever been.
Hashtag guttedforthecrusaders
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@nostrildamus job done, he got 2 kicks in.
It is just fucking ridiculous, isn't it?
Heck, I can see the logic in many of Foster and his coach's decisions, though I might not agree with them, but the (non) use of Perofeta does my head in
I'm a bit surprised about your head.
Steve's first test - we lost at home for the first time ever against Argentina. I don't see that bringing on a debutant to replace either our premier first five or premier fullback would have improved our chances. They brought him on when the game was done - which was possibly a bit crass.
Then he got a game against Japan and didn't have a great outing.
This week - same deal as the first. We were losing. They either brought on Steve or backed their 100+ test first five to turn his game around.
Far from the first rookie, who's had to spend the whole test on the bench watching when things aren't going to plan.
Given last weekend's selections at halfback, this game from last year is quite interesting in that regard - Perenara playing the whole 80 minutes, while Christie watched from the bench.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@nostrildamus job done, he got 2 kicks in.
It is just fucking ridiculous, isn't it?
Heck, I can see the logic in many of Foster and his coach's decisions, though I might not agree with them, but the (non) use of Perofeta does my head in
I'm a bit surprised about your head.
Steve's first test - we lost at home for the first time ever against Argentina. I don't see that bringing on a debutant to replace either our premier first five or premier fullback would have improved our chances. They brought him on when the game was done - which was possibly a bit crass.
Then he got a game against Japan and didn't have a great outing.
This week - same deal as the first. They either brought on Steve or backed their 100+ test first five to turn his game around.
Far from the first rookie, who's had to spend the whole test on the bench watching when things aren't going to plan.
Given last weekend's selections at halfback, this game from last year is quite interesting in that regard - Perenara playing the whole 80 minutes, while Christie watched from the bench.
I bet Norm Hewitt isn’t very sympathetic to his plight
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@MN5 John Hart would have bollocked him for disrespecting his superiors.
Not that it's Steve who's complaining - Steve Perofeta anyway.
Yeah didn’t Hewitt have a scrap with Ian Jones and Hart shouted “don’t touch MY test player ? “ or some shit like that ?
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@MN5 Something like that.
He publicly roasted Norm for dissent when finally NH got a start and then Hart hooked him for Fitzy.
Stuck at home with COVID for the week, could be a good time to read Norms book again. Still by far the most interesting of any AB book I can think of by far.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@MN5 Something like that.
He publicly roasted Norm for dissent when finally NH got a start and then Hart hooked him for Fitzy.
Was that the game at Wembley(?) when Fitzy's knee was shit and all he could do was hobble around on it?
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@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I'm sick of these people on here claiming we need to find a second option to JB.
So your answer is not to bother about any back-ups at 12 and just play Jordie there and give bugger-all thought to managing his workload?
The only problem with that is what you do (apart from blaming Foster for being an idiot for not developing MF options) if/when Jordie gets injured.
Listen to yourself FFS. We have 10 tests or so. Potentially our greatest pairing had something like 30-40 in a partnership over 6 or 7 years to become O for awesome. Wats your suggestion? Keep playing alternative 12s for the next fucking 10 tests until we find JBs* back up? We don't have fucking time because Foster has been shit for the last 3 years. We're a year behind in our development. Ideally all this shit would have been sorted last year. It's fucking unbelievable you're still advocating for a merry-go-round in selections to search for backups for the backups with 10 tests to go. We either lock in our combinations now and hope to gel as a unit OR keep this rotation of selection going until the QF against SA or Ireland. Because it worked out fucking well in 2019.
While your point has some validity it is also throwing all the eggs in one basket and, as pointed out, those advocting this approach would also be first in the queue to complain about a lack of contingency panning.
Yes, we know DH's limitations and that he is second choice (at best). What we also need to do is play situations that adjust around those limitations in case he is called on. In other words, would you play the same plan with JB as DH?
Certainly decide if JB/RI is the first choice paring and give then plenty of time together. What @Victor-Meldrew was suggesting is that you also have to plan for things going wrong at the same time. Sometimes that may mean a start for someone else or a shuffle.We don't have time ffs. 10 tests. TEN is what we have between now and a QF exit. We had time in 2020 and 2021. Now we don't.
You seem to be getting a bit stressed about this. Considering none of us are party to training data, playing data,knowledge of niggling injuries, knowledge of personal leave etc etc maybe just see how it pans out?
I'd think that next year a key 23 will be used as much as possible but there will be the occasional need to deliberately give someone in the squad time if it doesn't come 'naturally'Na I'm super psyched about a coach who doesn't appear to give 2 fucks about time left and continuity.
And for some reason think that demanding he follows your thinking from an internet forum despite not having even half the information he does will somehow set the rugby world to rights?
What?
Just pointing out that you are going on and on about the same thing as if you think someone is listening.
By the way, you know that JB/RI midfield that was so brilliant against Oz? They had only played about 15 minutes as a combo before that game. Yep. Not 62 games.
My fucking point. They need as much game time as possible between now and the QF FFS.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Yeah this chopping and changing is such a great idea. Fucking change my mind.
Ma'a Nonu played something like 70 tests at 12 and 62 of those were with Conrad Smith. Jordie B has had 2 and looks a million times better than that headless chook Havili. We're 10 tests away from a QF but yeah, keep changing the fucking team.
Since 2015 we've been looking for centers. Hansen fucked the team around all the way up to the SF in 2019. Foster has done the same. Finally find a potential candidate and he won't be played 2 tests in succession.
For all the doom and gloom in this test, the Jocks are gifted a PT (DP was blocked from making a tackle and the ball ingoal makes a huge dogleg to the left, not probable in my book but hey) and Mr Indecisive gift wraps and pass right into the hands of the Jocks.
And what happens if we put all our eggs in the Jordie basket, he gets injured and we don't have back-ups with reasonable experience.?
You can say that about any number of players from every single team in the world. That's just the nature of the beast. This obsession NZ has with trying to have 2 players in every position with loads of test experience is absurd and is really hurting us as our top team rarely gets consecutive games together. We are just shooting ourselves in the foot with this while other teams build combinations.
Not really talking about having 2 players in every position, more about having a viable and reasonably seasoned option if a player gets injured - e.g.12. We don't currently have that and are running out of time to deliver it.
You want more time developing a backup than a starter? Fucking mindless.
It's not binary. Try actually reading what I wrote rather than throwing your toys out of the pam because I don't agree with you.
Its exactly what you said, pam.
