All Blacks 2022
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
Jordie was on TV this morning and they asked him about where he wanted to play and he danced around the subject not really committing to either, saying he is just happy if he gets to start.
Give the man a start at centre.
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@ACT-Crusader Fullback to 13 is so last century!
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader Fullback to 13 is so last century!
But 2nd 5 to centre is definitely in.
Only AB to start at 10, 11, 12, 14 and 15
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader Fullback to 13 is so last century!
But 2nd 5 to centre is definitely in.
Only AB to start at 10, 11, 12, 14 and 15
Didn't Mils start at centre a few times.
11,13,14,15?
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2022:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader Fullback to 13 is so last century!
2003? 2007?
Rangi, Mils, Toeava
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@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader Fullback to 13 is so last century!
But 2nd 5 to centre is definitely in.
Only AB to start at 10, 11, 12, 14 and 15
Didn't Mils start at centre a few times.
11,13,14,15?
Started 8 tests at centre - partnered with Lucky, Nonu, Mauger and Tuitupo
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frank said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants
Does he not have eyes?
Jordie put in a near perfect performance at 12 after the slop served up by Havili.
Seriously, if he shuffles Jordie back to 15, fuck him.Really liked what Jordie did against Wallabies bit rein it in a little bit Frank, I not sure too may NH teams will put up such a week defensive 10 and 7 for Jordie to run through. I can't underrstand why everyone so worried if he named in tour squad as an outside back etc, hell Perofeta and BB are both named as 10s, doesn't mean they won't play at 15 if wantes, same as Scott Barrett at lock, he will play at 6 if it suits them.
I would add, although I don't consider Ennor as much, I not convinced Aumua is any better, another player I think may get stuffed a bit with strong defesive team, and certainly not one to create a lot for his outsides, though some good work on development team may help.I think we like about JB is that he hits the line hard, straight and in the space between defenders. He may not always break it but he bends it enough to take a meter or two and threaten an offload. He probably showed more in one game than DH has all year so it was exciting to watch.
I think you a little harsh on Havili mate, I think he was going bloody well at 12 when we were getting reasonable ball. Loved Jordie's game, but by geez no way have I written off Havili, or ALB either from the position!
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frank said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants
Does he not have eyes?
Jordie put in a near perfect performance at 12 after the slop served up by Havili.
Seriously, if he shuffles Jordie back to 15, fuck him.Really liked what Jordie did against Wallabies bit rein it in a little bit Frank, I not sure too may NH teams will put up such a week defensive 10 and 7 for Jordie to run through. I can't underrstand why everyone so worried if he named in tour squad as an outside back etc, hell Perofeta and BB are both named as 10s, doesn't mean they won't play at 15 if wantes, same as Scott Barrett at lock, he will play at 6 if it suits them.
I would add, although I don't consider Ennor as much, I not convinced Aumua is any better, another player I think may get stuffed a bit with strong defesive team, and certainly not one to create a lot for his outsides, though some good work on development team may help.I think we like about JB is that he hits the line hard, straight and in the space between defenders. He may not always break it but he bends it enough to take a meter or two and threaten an offload. He probably showed more in one game than DH has all year so it was exciting to watch.
I think you a little harsh on Havili mate, I think he was going bloody well at 12 when we were getting reasonable ball. Loved Jordie's game, but by geez no way have I written off Havili, or ALB either from the position!
I don't think it's harsh to say Jordie showed more in one game than Havili has all year. That speaks to Jordie's performance more than Havili's.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frank said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants
Does he not have eyes?
Jordie put in a near perfect performance at 12 after the slop served up by Havili.
Seriously, if he shuffles Jordie back to 15, fuck him.Really liked what Jordie did against Wallabies bit rein it in a little bit Frank, I not sure too may NH teams will put up such a week defensive 10 and 7 for Jordie to run through. I can't underrstand why everyone so worried if he named in tour squad as an outside back etc, hell Perofeta and BB are both named as 10s, doesn't mean they won't play at 15 if wantes, same as Scott Barrett at lock, he will play at 6 if it suits them.
I would add, although I don't consider Ennor as much, I not convinced Aumua is any better, another player I think may get stuffed a bit with strong defesive team, and certainly not one to create a lot for his outsides, though some good work on development team may help.I think we like about JB is that he hits the line hard, straight and in the space between defenders. He may not always break it but he bends it enough to take a meter or two and threaten an offload. He probably showed more in one game than DH has all year so it was exciting to watch.
I think you a little harsh on Havili mate, I think he was going bloody well at 12 when we were getting reasonable ball. Loved Jordie's game, but by geez no way have I written off Havili, or ALB either from the position!
Respectfully disagree there brutha. DH started playing better in the back half of the RC but I think JB's highlight reel came from one game at 12 where as DH would be spread over the course of 9 tests. I am willing to concede it was one test though.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frank said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants
Does he not have eyes?
Jordie put in a near perfect performance at 12 after the slop served up by Havili.
Seriously, if he shuffles Jordie back to 15, fuck him.Really liked what Jordie did against Wallabies bit rein it in a little bit Frank, I not sure too may NH teams will put up such a week defensive 10 and 7 for Jordie to run through. I can't underrstand why everyone so worried if he named in tour squad as an outside back etc, hell Perofeta and BB are both named as 10s, doesn't mean they won't play at 15 if wantes, same as Scott Barrett at lock, he will play at 6 if it suits them.
I would add, although I don't consider Ennor as much, I not convinced Aumua is any better, another player I think may get stuffed a bit with strong defesive team, and certainly not one to create a lot for his outsides, though some good work on development team may help.I think we like about JB is that he hits the line hard, straight and in the space between defenders. He may not always break it but he bends it enough to take a meter or two and threaten an offload. He probably showed more in one game than DH has all year so it was exciting to watch.
I think you a little harsh on Havili mate, I think he was going bloody well at 12 when we were getting reasonable ball. Loved Jordie's game, but by geez no way have I written off Havili, or ALB either from the position!
I don't think it's harsh to say Jordie showed more in one game than Havili has all year. That speaks to Jordie's performance more than Havili's.
Mate I no way playing down Jordie's game, it was great, I always put a but on a one game performance though, as he did great running at Foley and Pete Samu, who aren't dominant tacklers by any stretch of the imagination, I still hoping he repeats performance against a beteer defensive team is all.
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frank said in All Blacks 2022:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Ennor and RTS lucky to be there - otherwise it looks good.
The real interest is in who is named in the AB XV squad tomorrow. The positions of who is named may hint at which players in this AB squad might get a run for the AB XV.
To be replaced by?
The Umaga-Jensen brothers (assuming they are not injured)
You know, that doesn't scream "pick these guys"!
Name a midfielder that doesn't break every 5th game!
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2022:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frank said in All Blacks 2022:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Ennor and RTS lucky to be there - otherwise it looks good.
The real interest is in who is named in the AB XV squad tomorrow. The positions of who is named may hint at which players in this AB squad might get a run for the AB XV.
To be replaced by?
The Umaga-Jensen brothers (assuming they are not injured)
You know, that doesn't scream "pick these guys"!
Name a midfielder that doesn't break every 5th game!
A certain Blues player excepted of course...Murphy's Law says the certain excepted Blues player is broken for the big dance.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frank said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants
Does he not have eyes?
Jordie put in a near perfect performance at 12 after the slop served up by Havili.
Seriously, if he shuffles Jordie back to 15, fuck him.Really liked what Jordie did against Wallabies bit rein it in a little bit Frank, I not sure too may NH teams will put up such a week defensive 10 and 7 for Jordie to run through. I can't underrstand why everyone so worried if he named in tour squad as an outside back etc, hell Perofeta and BB are both named as 10s, doesn't mean they won't play at 15 if wantes, same as Scott Barrett at lock, he will play at 6 if it suits them.
I would add, although I don't consider Ennor as much, I not convinced Aumua is any better, another player I think may get stuffed a bit with strong defesive team, and certainly not one to create a lot for his outsides, though some good work on development team may help.I think we like about JB is that he hits the line hard, straight and in the space between defenders. He may not always break it but he bends it enough to take a meter or two and threaten an offload. He probably showed more in one game than DH has all year so it was exciting to watch.
I think you a little harsh on Havili mate, I think he was going bloody well at 12 when we were getting reasonable ball. Loved Jordie's game, but by geez no way have I written off Havili, or ALB either from the position!
I don't think it's harsh to say Jordie showed more in one game than Havili has all year. That speaks to Jordie's performance more than Havili's.
Mate I no way playing down Jordie's game, it was great, I always put a but on a one game performance though, as he did great running at Foley and Pete Samu, who aren't dominant tacklers by any stretch of the imagination, I still hoping he repeats performance against a beteer defensive team is all.
The thing with Havili is he isn't actually capable of playing a game like Jordie. He's smaller, can't bend the line like Jordie can, doesn't hit nearly as hard on defense, and his kick is considerably weaker. The whole "it was just one game" argument is flawed as people aren't excited by just that one game, they are excited about what Jordie can bring to the position.
Jordie is already a world class fullback, and it seems highly likely he would develop into a world class 12 with more time there. So really it's where to the ABs want to play him moving forward, and right now with Jordan and Beaudie at the back we have a much greater need for him at 12.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
Jordan
No. Let him make his mistakes on the wing where they're less costly.
Edit: But yeah, happy for him to start to learn the ropes towards the end of matches...
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frank said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants
Does he not have eyes?
Jordie put in a near perfect performance at 12 after the slop served up by Havili.
Seriously, if he shuffles Jordie back to 15, fuck him.Really liked what Jordie did against Wallabies bit rein it in a little bit Frank, I not sure too may NH teams will put up such a week defensive 10 and 7 for Jordie to run through. I can't underrstand why everyone so worried if he named in tour squad as an outside back etc, hell Perofeta and BB are both named as 10s, doesn't mean they won't play at 15 if wantes, same as Scott Barrett at lock, he will play at 6 if it suits them.
I would add, although I don't consider Ennor as much, I not convinced Aumua is any better, another player I think may get stuffed a bit with strong defesive team, and certainly not one to create a lot for his outsides, though some good work on development team may help.I think we like about JB is that he hits the line hard, straight and in the space between defenders. He may not always break it but he bends it enough to take a meter or two and threaten an offload. He probably showed more in one game than DH has all year so it was exciting to watch.
I think you a little harsh on Havili mate, I think he was going bloody well at 12 when we were getting reasonable ball. Loved Jordie's game, but by geez no way have I written off Havili, or ALB either from the position!
I don't think it's harsh to say Jordie showed more in one game than Havili has all year. That speaks to Jordie's performance more than Havili's.
Mate I no way playing down Jordie's game, it was great, I always put a but on a one game performance though, as he did great running at Foley and Pete Samu, who aren't dominant tacklers by any stretch of the imagination, I still hoping he repeats performance against a beteer defensive team is all.
The thing with Havili is he isn't actually capable of playing a game like Jordie. He's smaller, can't bend the line like Jordie can, doesn't hit nearly as hard on defense, and his kick is considerably weaker. The whole "it was just one game" argument is flawed as people aren't excited by just that one game, they are excited about what Jordie can bring to the position.
Jordie is already a world class fullback, and it seems highly likely he would develop into a world class 12 with more time there. So really it's where to the ABs want to play him moving forward, and right now with Jordan and Beaudie at the back we have a much greater need for him at 12.
I don't agree with you concerning DH's kicking. It's probably the best part of his game. His main problems are : defense, how to break a line and to link with his outside centre ...
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@cgrant said in All Blacks 2022:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frank said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants
Does he not have eyes?
Jordie put in a near perfect performance at 12 after the slop served up by Havili.
Seriously, if he shuffles Jordie back to 15, fuck him.Really liked what Jordie did against Wallabies bit rein it in a little bit Frank, I not sure too may NH teams will put up such a week defensive 10 and 7 for Jordie to run through. I can't underrstand why everyone so worried if he named in tour squad as an outside back etc, hell Perofeta and BB are both named as 10s, doesn't mean they won't play at 15 if wantes, same as Scott Barrett at lock, he will play at 6 if it suits them.
I would add, although I don't consider Ennor as much, I not convinced Aumua is any better, another player I think may get stuffed a bit with strong defesive team, and certainly not one to create a lot for his outsides, though some good work on development team may help.I think we like about JB is that he hits the line hard, straight and in the space between defenders. He may not always break it but he bends it enough to take a meter or two and threaten an offload. He probably showed more in one game than DH has all year so it was exciting to watch.
I think you a little harsh on Havili mate, I think he was going bloody well at 12 when we were getting reasonable ball. Loved Jordie's game, but by geez no way have I written off Havili, or ALB either from the position!
I don't think it's harsh to say Jordie showed more in one game than Havili has all year. That speaks to Jordie's performance more than Havili's.
Mate I no way playing down Jordie's game, it was great, I always put a but on a one game performance though, as he did great running at Foley and Pete Samu, who aren't dominant tacklers by any stretch of the imagination, I still hoping he repeats performance against a beteer defensive team is all.
The thing with Havili is he isn't actually capable of playing a game like Jordie. He's smaller, can't bend the line like Jordie can, doesn't hit nearly as hard on defense, and his kick is considerably weaker. The whole "it was just one game" argument is flawed as people aren't excited by just that one game, they are excited about what Jordie can bring to the position.
Jordie is already a world class fullback, and it seems highly likely he would develop into a world class 12 with more time there. So really it's where to the ABs want to play him moving forward, and right now with Jordan and Beaudie at the back we have a much greater need for him at 12.
I don't agree with you concerning DH's kicking. It's probably the best part of his game. His main problems are : defense, how to break a line and to link with his outside centre ...
The kicking and linking is very good. The slide defence he’s okay, his front on tackling does let him down. And he’s more stepper than crash through which is why his fullback game was very good.
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2022:
be surprised if he doesn’t start there in the first big game against wales
That would be my thinking. And the Foster Co-op will use Japan to ease ALB back in and give Ennor & RTS some time as well.
