All Blacks 2022
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frank said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants
Does he not have eyes?
Jordie put in a near perfect performance at 12 after the slop served up by Havili.
Seriously, if he shuffles Jordie back to 15, fuck him.Really liked what Jordie did against Wallabies bit rein it in a little bit Frank, I not sure too may NH teams will put up such a week defensive 10 and 7 for Jordie to run through. I can't underrstand why everyone so worried if he named in tour squad as an outside back etc, hell Perofeta and BB are both named as 10s, doesn't mean they won't play at 15 if wantes, same as Scott Barrett at lock, he will play at 6 if it suits them.
I would add, although I don't consider Ennor as much, I not convinced Aumua is any better, another player I think may get stuffed a bit with strong defesive team, and certainly not one to create a lot for his outsides, though some good work on development team may help.Yeah I would not read much into where they are listed ,
Beaudie is a 10/15
Jordie is a 12/15
Has to be listed in one or the other can’t be both
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frank said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants
Does he not have eyes?
Jordie put in a near perfect performance at 12 after the slop served up by Havili.
Seriously, if he shuffles Jordie back to 15, fuck him.Really liked what Jordie did against Wallabies bit rein it in a little bit Frank, I not sure too may NH teams will put up such a week defensive 10 and 7 for Jordie to run through. I can't underrstand why everyone so worried if he named in tour squad as an outside back etc, hell Perofeta and BB are both named as 10s, doesn't mean they won't play at 15 if wantes, same as Scott Barrett at lock, he will play at 6 if it suits them.
I would add, although I don't consider Ennor as much, I not convinced Aumua is any better, another player I think may get stuffed a bit with strong defesive team, and certainly not one to create a lot for his outsides, though some good work on development team may help.Yeah I would not read much into where they are listed ,
Beaudie is a 10/15
Jordie is a 12/15
Has to be listed in one or the other can’t be both
If you watch the on-field alignments (especially after second phase), numbers aren't meaning much. This is the modern thinking that Eddie Jones is after but struggling with as he is ahead of the club coaches in that regard.
Havili, JB, RI, WJ, BB, RM, ALB, SP, LF probably even Ennor and Reece are "multi-positional" to different degrees.
For RWC squads this is great as you often end up making compromises or selecting a jack of all trades for one precious squad spot.
For example, I imagine that it wouldn't be too hard for Havili and JB to mix and match during a game depending on the pictures being shown by the opposition. -
Jordie was on TV this morning and they asked him about where he wanted to play and he danced around the subject not really committing to either, saying he is just happy if he gets to start.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
Jordie was on TV this morning and they asked him about where he wanted to play and he danced around the subject not really committing to either, saying he is just happy if he gets to start.
To be honest I don’t care where a player wants to play. It isn’t their call.
Why is everyone so obsessed with trying to lock him into one position based on a performance against an average side instead of celebrating the option that we now have and can develop through a game shuffle or even during play. It’s a way too simple way of looking at things IMO.
If Jordie ends up our starting 12 at the RWC that’s great, but narrowing options at this stage smacks of bad planning -
Yeah I think the smart move is ,
We like what we saw of him at 12 , let’s have more of a look at it , be surprised if he doesn’t start there in the first big game against wales ,
But no need to box him in and shut down other options at this stage if it doesn’t work out as well as first thought
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frank said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants
Does he not have eyes?
Jordie put in a near perfect performance at 12 after the slop served up by Havili.
Seriously, if he shuffles Jordie back to 15, fuck him.Really liked what Jordie did against Wallabies bit rein it in a little bit Frank, I not sure too may NH teams will put up such a week defensive 10 and 7 for Jordie to run through. I can't underrstand why everyone so worried if he named in tour squad as an outside back etc, hell Perofeta and BB are both named as 10s, doesn't mean they won't play at 15 if wantes, same as Scott Barrett at lock, he will play at 6 if it suits them.
I would add, although I don't consider Ennor as much, I not convinced Aumua is any better, another player I think may get stuffed a bit with strong defesive team, and certainly not one to create a lot for his outsides, though some good work on development team may help.I think we like about JB is that he hits the line hard, straight and in the space between defenders. He may not always break it but he bends it enough to take a meter or two and threaten an offload. He probably showed more in one game than DH has all year so it was exciting to watch.
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frank said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants
Does he not have eyes?
Jordie put in a near perfect performance at 12 after the slop served up by Havili.
Seriously, if he shuffles Jordie back to 15, fuck him.Really liked what Jordie did against Wallabies bit rein it in a little bit Frank, I not sure too may NH teams will put up such a week defensive 10 and 7 for Jordie to run through. I can't underrstand why everyone so worried if he named in tour squad as an outside back etc, hell Perofeta and BB are both named as 10s, doesn't mean they won't play at 15 if wantes, same as Scott Barrett at lock, he will play at 6 if it suits them.
I would add, although I don't consider Ennor as much, I not convinced Aumua is any better, another player I think may get stuffed a bit with strong defesive team, and certainly not one to create a lot for his outsides, though some good work on development team may help.I think we like about JB is that he hits the line hard, straight and in the space between defenders. He may not always break it but he bends it enough to take a meter or two and threaten an offload. He probably showed more in one game than DH has all year so it was exciting to watch.
I think we all get that, and I myself am no fan of Havili but let's see JBs performance for what it was. A very good one against an average Oz team having a bad day.
That doesn't mean that Jordie shouldn't be in the running for a permanent move just that the cries that that the coaches would be crazy not to cement him in there are also well ahead of themselves.
There are 4 options for the 12 jersey in this squad. God knows why RTS is still there except to get a thank you for turning up run against Japan. I think that an ALB/RI combo could be interesting to see as well.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
Jordie was on TV this morning and they asked him about where he wanted to play and he danced around the subject not really committing to either, saying he is just happy if he gets to start.
Give the man a start at centre.
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@ACT-Crusader Fullback to 13 is so last century!
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader Fullback to 13 is so last century!
But 2nd 5 to centre is definitely in.
Only AB to start at 10, 11, 12, 14 and 15
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader Fullback to 13 is so last century!
But 2nd 5 to centre is definitely in.
Only AB to start at 10, 11, 12, 14 and 15
Didn't Mils start at centre a few times.
11,13,14,15?
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2022:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader Fullback to 13 is so last century!
2003? 2007?
Rangi, Mils, Toeava
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@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader Fullback to 13 is so last century!
But 2nd 5 to centre is definitely in.
Only AB to start at 10, 11, 12, 14 and 15
Didn't Mils start at centre a few times.
11,13,14,15?
Started 8 tests at centre - partnered with Lucky, Nonu, Mauger and Tuitupo
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frank said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants
Does he not have eyes?
Jordie put in a near perfect performance at 12 after the slop served up by Havili.
Seriously, if he shuffles Jordie back to 15, fuck him.Really liked what Jordie did against Wallabies bit rein it in a little bit Frank, I not sure too may NH teams will put up such a week defensive 10 and 7 for Jordie to run through. I can't underrstand why everyone so worried if he named in tour squad as an outside back etc, hell Perofeta and BB are both named as 10s, doesn't mean they won't play at 15 if wantes, same as Scott Barrett at lock, he will play at 6 if it suits them.
I would add, although I don't consider Ennor as much, I not convinced Aumua is any better, another player I think may get stuffed a bit with strong defesive team, and certainly not one to create a lot for his outsides, though some good work on development team may help.I think we like about JB is that he hits the line hard, straight and in the space between defenders. He may not always break it but he bends it enough to take a meter or two and threaten an offload. He probably showed more in one game than DH has all year so it was exciting to watch.
I think you a little harsh on Havili mate, I think he was going bloody well at 12 when we were getting reasonable ball. Loved Jordie's game, but by geez no way have I written off Havili, or ALB either from the position!
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frank said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants
Does he not have eyes?
Jordie put in a near perfect performance at 12 after the slop served up by Havili.
Seriously, if he shuffles Jordie back to 15, fuck him.Really liked what Jordie did against Wallabies bit rein it in a little bit Frank, I not sure too may NH teams will put up such a week defensive 10 and 7 for Jordie to run through. I can't underrstand why everyone so worried if he named in tour squad as an outside back etc, hell Perofeta and BB are both named as 10s, doesn't mean they won't play at 15 if wantes, same as Scott Barrett at lock, he will play at 6 if it suits them.
I would add, although I don't consider Ennor as much, I not convinced Aumua is any better, another player I think may get stuffed a bit with strong defesive team, and certainly not one to create a lot for his outsides, though some good work on development team may help.I think we like about JB is that he hits the line hard, straight and in the space between defenders. He may not always break it but he bends it enough to take a meter or two and threaten an offload. He probably showed more in one game than DH has all year so it was exciting to watch.
I think you a little harsh on Havili mate, I think he was going bloody well at 12 when we were getting reasonable ball. Loved Jordie's game, but by geez no way have I written off Havili, or ALB either from the position!
I don't think it's harsh to say Jordie showed more in one game than Havili has all year. That speaks to Jordie's performance more than Havili's.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frank said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants
Does he not have eyes?
Jordie put in a near perfect performance at 12 after the slop served up by Havili.
Seriously, if he shuffles Jordie back to 15, fuck him.Really liked what Jordie did against Wallabies bit rein it in a little bit Frank, I not sure too may NH teams will put up such a week defensive 10 and 7 for Jordie to run through. I can't underrstand why everyone so worried if he named in tour squad as an outside back etc, hell Perofeta and BB are both named as 10s, doesn't mean they won't play at 15 if wantes, same as Scott Barrett at lock, he will play at 6 if it suits them.
I would add, although I don't consider Ennor as much, I not convinced Aumua is any better, another player I think may get stuffed a bit with strong defesive team, and certainly not one to create a lot for his outsides, though some good work on development team may help.I think we like about JB is that he hits the line hard, straight and in the space between defenders. He may not always break it but he bends it enough to take a meter or two and threaten an offload. He probably showed more in one game than DH has all year so it was exciting to watch.
I think you a little harsh on Havili mate, I think he was going bloody well at 12 when we were getting reasonable ball. Loved Jordie's game, but by geez no way have I written off Havili, or ALB either from the position!
Respectfully disagree there brutha. DH started playing better in the back half of the RC but I think JB's highlight reel came from one game at 12 where as DH would be spread over the course of 9 tests. I am willing to concede it was one test though.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frank said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants
Does he not have eyes?
Jordie put in a near perfect performance at 12 after the slop served up by Havili.
Seriously, if he shuffles Jordie back to 15, fuck him.Really liked what Jordie did against Wallabies bit rein it in a little bit Frank, I not sure too may NH teams will put up such a week defensive 10 and 7 for Jordie to run through. I can't underrstand why everyone so worried if he named in tour squad as an outside back etc, hell Perofeta and BB are both named as 10s, doesn't mean they won't play at 15 if wantes, same as Scott Barrett at lock, he will play at 6 if it suits them.
I would add, although I don't consider Ennor as much, I not convinced Aumua is any better, another player I think may get stuffed a bit with strong defesive team, and certainly not one to create a lot for his outsides, though some good work on development team may help.I think we like about JB is that he hits the line hard, straight and in the space between defenders. He may not always break it but he bends it enough to take a meter or two and threaten an offload. He probably showed more in one game than DH has all year so it was exciting to watch.
I think you a little harsh on Havili mate, I think he was going bloody well at 12 when we were getting reasonable ball. Loved Jordie's game, but by geez no way have I written off Havili, or ALB either from the position!
I don't think it's harsh to say Jordie showed more in one game than Havili has all year. That speaks to Jordie's performance more than Havili's.
Mate I no way playing down Jordie's game, it was great, I always put a but on a one game performance though, as he did great running at Foley and Pete Samu, who aren't dominant tacklers by any stretch of the imagination, I still hoping he repeats performance against a beteer defensive team is all.
