All Blacks 2022
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial It will be interesting where he will play for the Chiefs. At 10 or at fullback. If fullback, that won't help his ABs chances.
See the Chiefs 2023 thread. They are already offloading 10s and working out succession plans as they have too many 10/15s.
Luckily 10/15 is all the go again at the moment and Super requires quite a bit of rotation so I can see him getting time in both positions which would benefit him as an AB backup.
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@Crucial has Josh Ioane signed for another year with the chiefs?
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@Kiwiwomble Nothing announced about Ioane re-signing.
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@Bovidae and I don't think he has been that bad. Narrowly missed some key kicks in opening game and the odd dropped balls. What I have noticed is two things. He runs less and concentrates more on putting others into space. And his kicking from hand is improved. It is versatile and accurate unlike most other 10s. I just have the feeling people are playing him down because he is not ripping it up from backfield in 15 any more.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
Poor analysis from Marshall and Stuff as well. DMac has played 1st 5 for Waikato in the majority of the games. It's only been a midweek game and injuries to other players that have meant he has been on the bench, or at fullback.
Yeah I just checked
10 matches
7 starts at 10
2 starts at 15
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@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
I like what Perofeta did at Super this year but we have yet to see whether he can fit in at international level. Experience wise DMac has a big advantage there.
Perofeta (vs DMac) has the same problem as Fakatava (vs Weber), but worse.
They need to prove they can hack it at test level, but where do they get their chance?
So far, Stephen's got about 60 seconds more test experience than me! DMac has got 40 tests under his belt. Especially if they decide to make a late shift of Jordie to the midfield, they'll need to give Beauden lots of games at fullback.
I'm wondering how they're going to work things with the ABs vs the ABs XV. Surely, they're going to release some of the fringe ABs to play for the XV (in the same way they get released to play NPC). But, do they pick e.g. a 36 man AB squad and a 28 man XV squad - or two squads of 32?
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
I like what Perofeta did at Super this year but we have yet to see whether he can fit in at international level. Experience wise DMac has a big advantage there.
Perofeta (vs DMac) has the same problem as Fakatava (vs Weber), but worse.
They need to prove they can hack it at test level, but where do they get their chance?
So far, Stephen's got about 60 seconds more test experience than me! DMac has got 40 tests under his belt. Especially if they decide to make a late shift of Jordie to the midfield, they'll need to give Beauden lots of games at fullback.
I'm wondering how they're going to work things with the ABs vs the ABs XV. Surely, they're going to release some of the fringe ABs to play for the XV (in the same way they get released to play NPC). But, do they pick e.g. a 36 man AB squad and a 28 man XV squad - or two squads of 32?
I think that is less of an issue with Beaudie. He has played a heap of fullback at test level over many years. He is a natural footballer and his natural skill set in my view fits very well at fullback. I don’t think he needs much time or we lose much as a team, if we need to slot him there at the last minute.
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Then next year we have the problem at the Blues that the AB 15 will be playing 10 and the backup AB 10 will be playing 15.
I just can't see what the plan is with Perofeta except to have him in the environment and learning.
If Jordie plays 12 they seem to want BB at 15. If either RM or BB are unavailable then probably Jordan moves to 15 at Perofeta on bench. That's about the extent of it and if, say, there is then an injury you have a guy running the cutter with next to no experience (and even his Super side don't play him there).
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@ACT-Crusader Maybe - but, he hasn't played there much with the other backs he's going to have around him. And we've got, maybe 10 tests till RWC now?
If Jordie is moved to 12, BB has to play a minimum of 6 there - probably more.
Which doesn't leave much time for Perofeta, DMac or Jordan.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
I like what Perofeta did at Super this year but we have yet to see whether he can fit in at international level. Experience wise DMac has a big advantage there.
Perofeta (vs DMac) has the same problem as Fakatava (vs Weber), but worse.
They need to prove they can hack it at test level, but where do they get their chance?
So far, Stephen's got about 60 seconds more test experience than me! DMac has got 40 tests under his belt. Especially if they decide to make a late shift of Jordie to the midfield, they'll need to give Beauden lots of games at fullback.
I'm wondering how they're going to work things with the ABs vs the ABs XV. Surely, they're going to release some of the fringe ABs to play for the XV (in the same way they get released to play NPC). But, do they pick e.g. a 36 man AB squad and a 28 man XV squad - or two squads of 32?
I think that is less of an issue with Beaudie. He has played a heap of fullback at test level over many years. He is a natural footballer and his natural skill set in my view fits very well at fullback. I don’t think he needs much time or we lose much as a team, if we need to slot him there at the last minute.
That's Perofeta's specialty position, isn't it?
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@Kruse said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
I like what Perofeta did at Super this year but we have yet to see whether he can fit in at international level. Experience wise DMac has a big advantage there.
Perofeta (vs DMac) has the same problem as Fakatava (vs Weber), but worse.
They need to prove they can hack it at test level, but where do they get their chance?
So far, Stephen's got about 60 seconds more test experience than me! DMac has got 40 tests under his belt. Especially if they decide to make a late shift of Jordie to the midfield, they'll need to give Beauden lots of games at fullback.
I'm wondering how they're going to work things with the ABs vs the ABs XV. Surely, they're going to release some of the fringe ABs to play for the XV (in the same way they get released to play NPC). But, do they pick e.g. a 36 man AB squad and a 28 man XV squad - or two squads of 32?
I think that is less of an issue with Beaudie. He has played a heap of fullback at test level over many years. He is a natural footballer and his natural skill set in my view fits very well at fullback. I don’t think he needs much time or we lose much as a team, if we need to slot him there at the last minute.
That's Perofeta's specialty position, isn't it?
Perofeta was nicknamed Perofuture as he was meant to be the solution to the Blues not having a decent 10 for years. Trouble is that he didn't get time to develop in a functional team. He has recently played more at 15 because the Blues had to get the chequebook out and buy a 10.
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@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kruse said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
I like what Perofeta did at Super this year but we have yet to see whether he can fit in at international level. Experience wise DMac has a big advantage there.
Perofeta (vs DMac) has the same problem as Fakatava (vs Weber), but worse.
They need to prove they can hack it at test level, but where do they get their chance?
So far, Stephen's got about 60 seconds more test experience than me! DMac has got 40 tests under his belt. Especially if they decide to make a late shift of Jordie to the midfield, they'll need to give Beauden lots of games at fullback.
I'm wondering how they're going to work things with the ABs vs the ABs XV. Surely, they're going to release some of the fringe ABs to play for the XV (in the same way they get released to play NPC). But, do they pick e.g. a 36 man AB squad and a 28 man XV squad - or two squads of 32?
I think that is less of an issue with Beaudie. He has played a heap of fullback at test level over many years. He is a natural footballer and his natural skill set in my view fits very well at fullback. I don’t think he needs much time or we lose much as a team, if we need to slot him there at the last minute.
That's Perofeta's specialty position, isn't it?
Perofeta was nicknamed Perofuture as he was meant to be the solution to the Blues not having a decent 10 for years. Trouble is that he didn't get time to develop in a functional team. He has recently played more at 15 because the Blues had to get the chequebook out and buy a 10.
I'm referring to the "last minute" part of his experience.
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Hanging in there with the hope of going to the RWC.
Nepo Laulala extends commitment to New Zealand Rugby and the Blues
Nepo Laulala has committed to New Zealand Rugby (NZR) and the Blues for another year, officially extending his contract through to the end of 2023.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
Hanging in there with the hope of going to the RWC.
Nepo Laulala extends commitment to New Zealand Rugby and the Blues
Nepo Laulala has committed to New Zealand Rugby (NZR) and the Blues for another year, officially extending his contract through to the end of 2023.
Fifth on the THP chart for mine. Shouldn't be anywhere near the RWC squad.
Earlier the discussion was about pack weights and how it doesn't mean much if you aren't using that mass effectively. Laulala is a prime example of that.
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@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
Hanging in there with the hope of going to the RWC.
Nepo Laulala extends commitment to New Zealand Rugby and the Blues
Nepo Laulala has committed to New Zealand Rugby (NZR) and the Blues for another year, officially extending his contract through to the end of 2023.
Fifth on the THP chart for mine. Shouldn't be anywhere near the RWC squad.
Earlier the discussion was about pack weights and how it doesn't mean much if you aren't using that mass effectively. Laulala is a prime example of that.
Still the most technically accomplished scrummaging TH. Newell has real potential. But, as Ryan has noted, Lymax has transformed himself from the bloke who got mullered by Bell when Canes played Waratahs. If Ofa goes as LH who can cover TH, I'd see Angus T as missing out.
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@pakman said in All Blacks 2022:
Still the most technically accomplished scrummaging TH
Yeah you keep saying this, but for me it still hasn't passed the eye test I would need some serious stats to be convinced and even if they proved it, I probably wouldn't be convinced about that being worthwhile.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2022:
Still the most technically accomplished scrummaging TH
Yeah you keep saying this, but for me it still hasn't passed the eye test I would need some serious stats to be convinced and even if they proved it, I probably wouldn't be convinced about that being worthwhile.
Yeah, most props skills and smarts increase with experience. Nepo is either too smart for his own good or has downgraded his software as even at NPC level he eats the dirt far too often.
Considering that he offers stuff all around the field that isn't good enough.
