Bledisloe 1
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@Machpants said in Bledisloe 1:
@booboo said in Bledisloe 1:
@Frye said in Bledisloe 1:
@game_film said in Bledisloe 1:
Look at Foley’s team mate screaming at him to kick it. He knew
The commentators saying it's unprecedented but honestly what Foley was doing was taking the piss.
Time wasting is a penalty
Totally. Point one out in an other test
Plenty of times. Delaying a line out throw, slow getting to a line out, halfback dithering at the scrum.
The reason you don't see it often from a clearing penalty or drop out is that players are usually much smarter than to take that risk.
Wobblies relaxed thinking they had won. Wanted to start sinking the celebratory beers and forgot they had to play the game out.
Only themselves to blame.BTW I don't agree with Rennie's idea that the ref should just blow time off until the kick is taken. Why should the team dictate the game? Why do they get all the time in the world to strategise and sort themselves out for the next play. The game doesn't work like that.
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@booboo said in Bledisloe 1:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Bledisloe 1:
@booboo said in Bledisloe 1:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Bledisloe 1:
I'm sorry but why are they celebrating??? They had ample opportunity to put that game away with all the YCs, fucked endless opportunities to score, showed complete lack of aptitude in defense and got a unicorn at the end to win. I feel dirty and the ABs again, are complete shit.
Sorry. Thought we/they won?
The won jack shit. With all the advantage they had they needed a unicorn to win.
Sorry, you spelt "the game and Bledisloe Cup" wrong.
They retained the Bled.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Bledisloe 1:
@Machpants said in Bledisloe 1:
@Crazy-Horse said in Bledisloe 1:
On the ref's decision at the end - would anyone have been cheesed off if he didn't take the penalty off Aussie? Was it crossing anyone's mind at the time that the ref should take action?
Foley ignored the ref and took a quick kick and got his team an undeserved 7 points.
Have I missed something here? I assume you are talking about the Wallaby try from the alleged forward pass? Are you saying the ref told Foley to not take the conversion?
Correct he told him to hold, and Floely kicked it. Ref looked confused and just went, ah fuck it, too late now
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@booboo said in Bledisloe 1:
@Anonymous said in Bledisloe 1:
@Derpus said in Bledisloe 1:
@Frank red for entering from the side would be novel but I wouldn't put it past rugby to miss a chance to card a bloke.
Quoting this for those who missed it.
Swain been cited yet?
Yes
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@KiwiMurph said in Bledisloe 1:
Midweek Bledisloe set to continue after strong ratings, sell-out crowd
A big national TV audience and a capacity crowd at Marvel Stadium has left officials happy with the decision to switch the Bledisloe.
In one of the strongest ratings performances in many years, the Wallabies-All Blacks clash drew in 630,000 viewers on **Channel Nine** nationally, and with 70,000-plus streaming the game on **9Now**, finished with an audience of more than 700,000. That surpasses the 630,000 who tuned in to watch the Wallabies take on England in Brisbane in July, and combined with Stan viewership figures (which do not get released), informed sources said the Bledisloe Cup clash would have drawn in an audience of more than 1 million viewers.Plus anyone like me on Stan. Prefer to watch without ads.
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in Bledisloe 1:
who tracked back and made a tackle on Kellaway (?) who scored after CC shot out of the line. Fr a poor defender, so I've been told, he makes a lot of tackles.
Criticism is of his head on tackling. He corner flags well.
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@Kruse said in Bledisloe 1:
@Crazy-Horse said in Bledisloe 1:
On the ref's decision at the end - would anyone have been cheesed off if he didn't take the penalty off Aussie? Was it crossing anyone's mind at the time that the ref should take action?
Good question.
Nah - I figured we'd lost it, and Foley was just ensuring it by what every fluffybunny does in that same situation.BUT - I'd like to see that assumption change, and to see calls like that become standard.
this although with a small difference
I think most people would have banged to out....and then walked veeeerrrryyy slowly to the lineout, if you get pinged then at least your 20m-30m further up field....standing 5m out from your own line with ball in hand just waiting looks more and more blatant every time in see it
saw this this morning and is the clearest ive seen of whats said etc
i dont know how to post a facebook vid
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@KiwiMurph said in Bledisloe 1:
@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe 1:
@voodoo it was a few of the high shots that showed our defence, and is concerning with the lack of width and shape we use.
Is quite concerning that we have kept the same defence coach since 2017? and defence has been consistently poor, with no apparent improvement or innovation
100%. Mcleod's system continues to be poor. He lives a charmed life.
Geez I thought the tries for and against comparison with our international opponents has been quite impressive this year all things considered. Tight five tackle effectiveness seems hugely improved too!
But one position has failed to complete the tackle or show enough agility or urgency in cover, leading up to quite a few of the tries against us. If the system is to push in early and leave it to others to corner flag then it is a selection issue in my view and has to be addressed. I think other teams are targeting our winger defence because that is where most of the success is time and again.
I am interested to see whether it is the system or the personnel tweaked for Bledisloe 2.
They are missing the defensive agility of ALB. Rieko has been easily our best chase and catch defender but has had to do it far too often in my view. Agility on the turn and spatial awareness of the players around you are big things for a test winger. Just don't see many in NZ with those strengths currently. Can see why George Bridge stayed in contention. -
@ARHS said in Bledisloe 1:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Bledisloe 1:
who tracked back and made a tackle on Kellaway (?) who scored after CC shot out of the line. Fr a poor defender, so I've been told, he makes a lot of tackles.
Criticism is of his head on tackling. He corner flags well.
Fair enough
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@canefan said in Bledisloe 1:
@antipodean said in Bledisloe 1:
Of course Foley will deny timewasting. But we all know it is true. In contrast look how fast he knocked that conversion over to eliminate any possibility of review when the aussies scored off that forward pass......
He's lying.
"He never told me he turned it back on ..."
Then why did you start your run up to kick if you thought time was still off.
Poor attempt at arse covering.
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@Anonymous said in Bledisloe 1:
@antipodean said in Bledisloe 1:
I'm not entirely convinced Foley was trying to waste time after the ref blew time back on. He looked more to be waiting for his forward pack to get out of their huddle and be paying attention after the ref blew time off. Still, he should have realized the ref wasn't going to be patient after telling them to hurry up.
There definitely was time wasting but it's a bit hard to tell how egregious it was when the footage is mostly just replays and close ups of random players.
So the forwards were wasting time?
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@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe 1:
Oh, funniest comment, think it was TJ...Camera pans over Foster then Rennie, and TJ comments that they are both former Chiefs coaches, with 2 time winner Rennie, and then nothing, sounded like he stopped in mid-sentence!!
Maybe. But Foster has three Bledisloes.
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@booboo given the kick was going out, no matter what, the forwards paying attention was irrelevant, just a distraction to his delaying tactics.
Ironically they were likely discussing the lineout call so they walk straight in and throw rather than all the pre lineout bs we usually see...or maybe they had a call and woulda play acted another call, slowly.
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@Rapido said in Bledisloe 1:
That Australian commentary was pretty disgusting., there.
Was a joy to listen to
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@MiketheSnow said in Bledisloe 1:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Bledisloe 1:
@Kruse said in Bledisloe 1:
@MiketheSnow said in Bledisloe 1:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Bledisloe 1:
@Bones said in Bledisloe 1:
Valetini is a bit scary - he's basically Ardie, but proper loosie size
Obviously not as fast though
Or as tall
Did you see that hair?
Heavier, PLUS bigger hair - much slower.Aerodynamics
Hairodynamics
I'll get my coat
@nostrildamus said in Bledisloe 1:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Bledisloe 1:
@Kruse said in Bledisloe 1:
@MiketheSnow said in Bledisloe 1:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Bledisloe 1:
@Bones said in Bledisloe 1:
Valetini is a bit scary - he's basically Ardie, but proper loosie size
Obviously not as fast though
Or as tall
Did you see that hair?
Heavier, PLUS bigger hair - much slower.Aerodynamics
hairodynamics..
Don't you hate being just that split second too late?
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@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe 1:
@booboo this is what Foster said on it
"The other one that wasn’t clearcut was when Kellaway scored and the TMO wanted to look at what was a very suspicious forward pass, and yet the conversion was allowed to be taken," Foster noted.
"All I know was he was telling the guy not to kick the conversion, because they were checking something."
Interesting.
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@KiwiMurph said in Bledisloe 1:
Speaking of spidercam.
Someone has transcribed the moments from the Foketi penalty until the ref calls turnover.
Foley is told directly and takes an age.
I said he was lying. Looks like I'm right.
Either that, or he's deaf, or just stoopid
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@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe 1:
@booboo this is what Foster said on it
"The other one that wasn’t clearcut was when Kellaway scored and the TMO wanted to look at what was a very suspicious forward pass, and yet the conversion was allowed to be taken," Foster noted.
"All I know was he was telling the guy not to kick the conversion, because they were checking something."
Just replayed the passage from the broadcast. Couldn't hear the ref. May be worth spidercam as per the time wasting tiktok.
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@Crucial said in Bledisloe 1:
With all of the focus on the time wasting call no one is looking at the call and actions just before.
That maul was driven sideways from yellow players joining from the sideline side. Same players then drove into the side and split the maul. Then the back section which had the ball had no numbers and went to ground for a yellow player that was on his knees to flop over the ball carrier and make a grab.
If you also add in the call against yellow that gave us the penalty before the line out you could say that Reynal really lost the plot in the final stanza.
Was that the sealing off? Thought that was fine.
