Bledisloe 1
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@Billy-Tell said in Bledisloe 1:
@Stargazer said in Bledisloe 1:
@Billy-Tell said in Bledisloe 1:
@Stargazer said in Bledisloe 1:
It’s a scrum not free kick. Law 20 “taking a penalty or free kick”
This literally comes from the World Rugby website (Law 9.7.d)!
Have you read law 20? The section I referred to?
A penalty or free-kick must be taken without delay.
Sanction: scrum.
Interesting.
I had thought ref was wrong as timewastimg is a free kick. Arguably he was right. I suggest it makes no difference as we would have taken a scrum anyway.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe 1:
@No-Quarter said in Bledisloe 1:
LOL Mo'unga "the composure from both teams was awesome". Nether team had anything that remotely resembled composure
He’s got that media speak down pat aye…
What I would counter is that White kicking that goal to go up 3 was composed. Ol mate Giteau and even Foley have missed easier ones in similar positions in their careers
Plus when we had phase ball after that final scrum, back in the day you almost could guarantee that some tight forward (ala Greg Somerville, John Afoa etc) would’ve just dropped the ball cold. We actually built nicely and Coles I thought made a smart play not to get held up when he was just cms from the post/try line.
The offload to Jordie and to score - that’s a bit of composure when the choccies were on the line.
You are far too positive for my liking. I guess you could say there were some brief moments of composure in amongst all of the absolute chaos. Definitely one of the most entertaining games of footy I've ever watched, that comeback from Aus at 13-31 down was one of the best I've ever seen.
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@Stargazer said in Bledisloe 1:
@Billy-Tell Not the same thing.
Law 9.7 is a worse form of offending: time wasting.
its interesting and possibly a great example of how messed up some of the rules are
delaying taking a penalty is free kick...but time wasting is a penalty...but what is delaying taking a penalty if not time wasting?...realy feels like one rule was written my someone that didn;t know the other existed
@mariner4life said in Bledisloe 1:
@No-Quarter said in Bledisloe 1:
@mariner4life I agree with you that they should be looking to start the same team as much as possible. What's hampered us this year is we haven't been able to introduce new players to test footy from the bench as we've been under the pump so often.
i think our bench has been an issue performance-wise. I don't seem to recall too many guys coming on and immediately impacting a game positively. And that definitely would have impacted the coaches thinking.
definitely seems a long time since we have people like BB, Dmac or savea coming off the bench and almost guaranteed to score/create a try
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Bledisloe 1:
But obviously it was incredibly concerning how that 15 vs 13 advantage wasn't exploited. Schoolboy teams would do a better job than that. Add the sometimes shocking defence out wide and you wonder what they're actually doing in training.
Not really.
I once watched a team reduced to 13 in the first half, including their halfback, pull away in the second half, to win quite convincingly. It was bizarre to watch 13 boys utterly dominate 15, but that's schoolboy rugby for you.
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@Bovidae said in Bledisloe 1:
All Blacks midfielder Quinn Tupaea won’t play rugby again this year after a controversial shot from Wallabies lock Darcy Swain.
Coach Ian Foster said on Friday Tupaea would be sidelined for at least three months after suffering a ruptured medial cruciate ligament in his left knee in Thursday’s Bledisloe Cup win in Melbourne.
He also suffered a partial anterior cruciate ligament tear, Foster said, but he was unsure as to whether Tupaea would need surgery.
Also from that article:
Foster said Swain had been cited, which means he will face a judicial hearing.
Fellow midfielder David Havili, meanwhile, is considered “unlikely” to play next Saturday’s return test at Eden Park after he failed a head injury assessment (HIA).
Captain Sam Cane was removed for concussion like symptoms. Both will go through concussion protocols which will determine their availability. -
@Chester-Draws
We did the same once in a Senior Club rugby game. The fact that the opposition had a big (but not very bright) midfield who thought they could run through you (while ignoring the two man overlaps) was a great help. -
I don't want to argue the legality or probability of the ref decision but the general principle-do you want players to hold onto the ball and do nothing for the whole last minute of the game? I don't. But I also hope they clarify the laws.
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@MN5 said in Bledisloe 1:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Bledisloe 1:
I'm still scratching my head about Sotutu's kick. Wtf was he thinking there? He was surrounded by support. He should go the way of 2008 Lauaki for that alone.
But obviously it was incredibly concerning how that 15 vs 13 advantage wasn't exploited. Schoolboy teams would do a better job than that. Add the sometimes shocking defence out wide and you wonder what they're actually doing in training.
Anyone with that haircut has questionable decision making across other facets of life to be fair.
Nonu was ok. And Valetini played well but looks like a potplant.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Bledisloe 1:
definitely seems a long time since we have people like BB, Dmac or savea coming off the bench and almost guaranteed to score/create a try
True but: out of form, not playing, always starting if not injured/on personal leave.
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@Derpus said in Bledisloe 1:
@Kirwan how is it insular. You seen that called this century? Keen to see the highlight man.
Obscure and inconsistent refereeing just one of many reasons rugby is sliding fast in this part of the world.
This is totally illogical.
I haven't seen anyone red carded for deliberately kicking someone in the head this century but that doesn't mean that it won't happen if someone is that stupid.
Face the facts. Foley fucked up and the consequences were big. Just like how a missed tackle in the dying seconds has consequences. Or conversely a ball carrier getting slightly isolated and losing their team a chance to continue.
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@nostrildamus said in Bledisloe 1:
@Kiwiwomble said in Bledisloe 1:
definitely seems a long time since we have people like BB, Dmac or savea coming off the bench and almost guaranteed to score/create a try
True but: out of form, not playing, always starting if not injured/on personal leave.
not saying there aren't reasons, just really noticeable
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Did I just read in this thread Derpus telling someone else to be cheerful?!
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@Derpus said in Bledisloe 1:
It's rugby ffs - delay is all there is.
I didn't realize delay was the sole point to watching rugby. You must love the current queues at Australian airports.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Bledisloe 1:
@nostrildamus said in Bledisloe 1:
@Kiwiwomble said in Bledisloe 1:
definitely seems a long time since we have people like BB, Dmac or savea coming off the bench and almost guaranteed to score/create a try
True but: out of form, not playing, always starting if not injured/on personal leave.
not saying there aren't reasons, just really noticeable
yes. That is what is upsetting me about the ABs, and to go to your earlier point about the fun of rugby being lost a little here. I don't mind the ABs losing to better teams if playing well but perhaps we are so critical because there is so little growth (and probably some stagnation) in the ABs for the last few years.
I can think of Samisoni and (sometimes) RI improving (and props improving) but the backs and loosies have mostly gone backwards, and our tactics are stale.
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@African-Monkey the plays he was shooting out in the line was when he was infield and Ioane was defending out wide
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@Chester-Draws said in Bledisloe 1:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Bledisloe 1:
But obviously it was incredibly concerning how that 15 vs 13 advantage wasn't exploited. Schoolboy teams would do a better job than that. Add the sometimes shocking defence out wide and you wonder what they're actually doing in training.
Not really.
I once watched a team reduced to 13 in the first half, including their halfback, pull away in the second half, to win quite convincingly. It was bizarre to watch 13 boys utterly dominate 15, but that's schoolboy rugby for you.
Yeah I very much doubt that's the norm.
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so if the never-ending Fern project of JB as 12 starter eventuates is there a chance of Sullivan or Perofeta at 15? I was hoping they'd play Jordan at 15 but his tackling isn't currently very reassuring.
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@No-Quarter I’m a positive guy 😎
I’m not as down on this because I was pretty resigned to the fact that it was going to be a roller coaster ride in this 2020-2023 cycle.
Some things frustrate me from my armchair viewpoint because you sense that it could be better and some of the boys are capable of better. But there are some upsides which I try to focus on. Not always easy because rugby and sport more broadly can be an emotional ride.
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@nostrildamus said in Bledisloe 1:
so if the never-ending Fern project of JB as 12 starter eventuates is there a chance of Sullivan or Perofeta at 15? I was hoping they'd play Jordan at 15 but his tackling isn't currently very reassuring.
George Bridge has been playing fullback for Canterbury and he knows the AB systems.….just saying 😀
