Bledisloe 1
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@nzzp said in Bledisloe 1:
@mencey said in Bledisloe 1:
@Canes4life said in Bledisloe 1:
@nostrildamus Ardie has started every match there has been this year. He's been consistently world-class over a longer period. Samisoni comes in second for me.
Totally agree, Ardie for me. most consistent over the last few years !!
Over the last few years, yep.
But this year, ST is the only one knocking the door down for a World XV. Ardie's highlights reel doesn't fit into the gameplan of a lot of countries - ours included. He's playing the 'Savea' role (as someone else said), and it's awesome - but not a shoe in to walk into a starting XV.
Marx would be the only competitor I can think of for ST (noting I haven't wathed a lot of NH rugby), and for me ST's carrying edges it. He is just brutal.
You're joking right? Spend any time on another country's versions of the SF, and Ardie is constantly getting wraps as an amazing player. Meanwhile here, we have had the "he needs to be on the bench, and injected in the last 20 minutes" brigade and now the "not near a world XV". Sami off the back of 2 games is "knocking the door down for a world XV". I'd suggest fans from other countries couldn't even name the current NZ hooker. A current world XV would probably have the French hooker.
I'd say Ardie currently has an excellent chance of hearing his name read out as one of the "world player of the year 2022" candidates.
But sure, if we don't want Ardie, let someone else have him! Not knocking Sami BTW who is O for awesome.
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@Billy-Tell @game_film he's a phenomenal player. But the reality is if you select him, you have to compromise elsewhere in your loose forward trio.
You're welcome to your opinion, and I think Ardie is awesome, but would he be the best 8 in world rugby?
Edit: for me it's a bit like recognizing BB's incredible physical talents, but that he may not be the best 10 while being one of the best rugby players
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@nzzp said in Bledisloe 1:
@Billy-Tell @game_film he's a phenomenal player. But the reality is if you select him, you have to compromise elsewhere in your loose forward trio.
You're welcome to your opinion, and I think Ardie is awesome, but would he be the best 8 in world rugby?
Edit: for me it's a bit like recognizing BB's incredible physical talents, but that he may not be the best 10 while being one of the best rugby players
I think he would be.
I think people get too focused on how he doesn’t play this or that way rather than what he brings and at a high level.
I disagree about the compromise bit because you could say that about every loose forward in the AB squad
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@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe 1:
@nzzp said in Bledisloe 1:
@Billy-Tell @game_film he's a phenomenal player. But the reality is if you select him, you have to compromise elsewhere in your loose forward trio.
You're welcome to your opinion, and I think Ardie is awesome, but would he be the best 8 in world rugby?
Edit: for me it's a bit like recognizing BB's incredible physical talents, but that he may not be the best 10 while being one of the best rugby players
I think he would be.
I think people get too focused on how he doesn’t play this or that way rather than what he brings and at a high level.
I disagree about the compromise bit because you could say that about every
loose forwardplayer in the AB squadFify
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@Billy-Tell said in Bledisloe 1:
@nzzp said in Bledisloe 1:
@mencey said in Bledisloe 1:
@Canes4life said in Bledisloe 1:
@nostrildamus Ardie has started every match there has been this year. He's been consistently world-class over a longer period. Samisoni comes in second for me.
Totally agree, Ardie for me. most consistent over the last few years !!
Over the last few years, yep.
But this year, ST is the only one knocking the door down for a World XV. Ardie's highlights reel doesn't fit into the gameplan of a lot of countries - ours included. He's playing the 'Savea' role (as someone else said), and it's awesome - but not a shoe in to walk into a starting XV.
Marx would be the only competitor I can think of for ST (noting I haven't wathed a lot of NH rugby), and for me ST's carrying edges it. He is just brutal.
You're joking right? Spend any time on another country's versions of the SF, and Ardie is constantly getting wraps as an amazing player. Meanwhile here, we have had the "he needs to be on the bench, and injected in the last 20 minutes" brigade and now the "not near a world XV". Sami off the back of 2 games is "knocking the door down for a world XV". I'd suggest fans from other countries couldn't even name the current NZ hooker. A current world XV would probably have the French hooker.
I'd say Ardie currently has an excellent chance of hearing his name read out as one of the "world player of the year 2022" candidates.
But sure, if we don't want Ardie, let someone else have him! Not knocking Sami BTW who is O for awesome.
Based on recent events you’d be hard pressed to look beyond the Irish back row
POM, VDF, Doris
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@nzzp said in Bledisloe 1:
@Billy-Tell @game_film he's a phenomenal player. But the reality is if you select him, you have to compromise elsewhere in your loose forward trio.
You're welcome to your opinion, and I think Ardie is awesome, but would he be the best 8 in world rugby?
Edit: for me it's a bit like recognizing BB's incredible physical talents, but that he may not be the best 10 while being one of the best rugby players
As I’ve already posted I’d probably have him at 7. But ask fans from elsewhere which AB they could have and you’ll mostly get one of 2 replies: savea or r ioane. Maybe a few for Jordan, a few for whitelock and a few for b Barrett. You won’t get papalii, akira, cane or frizzell.
Sami needs to perform against England at twickenham not Argentina in Hamilton to start getting some recognition.
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@Billy-Tell said in Bledisloe 1:
Sami needs to perform against England at twickenham not Argentina in Hamilton to start getting some recognition.
Waaaait a miiiinute....how did Ardie go against England at Twickenham?
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@Billy-Tell said in Bledisloe 1:
@nzzp said in Bledisloe 1:
@Billy-Tell @game_film he's a phenomenal player. But the reality is if you select him, you have to compromise elsewhere in your loose forward trio.
You're welcome to your opinion, and I think Ardie is awesome, but would he be the best 8 in world rugby?
Edit: for me it's a bit like recognizing BB's incredible physical talents, but that he may not be the best 10 while being one of the best rugby players
As I’ve already posted I’d probably have him at 7. But ask fans from elsewhere which AB they could have and you’ll mostly get one of 2 replies: savea or r ioane. Maybe a few for Jordan, a few for whitelock and a few for b Barrett. You won’t get papalii, akira, cane or frizzell.
Sami needs to perform against England at twickenham not Argentina in Hamilton to start getting some recognition.
Samisoni has played against Argentina but also Australia S Africa Ireland and France!
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@Billy-Tell said in Bledisloe 1:
@nzzp said in Bledisloe 1:
@Billy-Tell @game_film he's a phenomenal player. But the reality is if you select him, you have to compromise elsewhere in your loose forward trio.
You're welcome to your opinion, and I think Ardie is awesome, but would he be the best 8 in world rugby?
Edit: for me it's a bit like recognizing BB's incredible physical talents, but that he may not be the best 10 while being one of the best rugby players
As I’ve already posted I’d probably have him at 7. But ask fans from elsewhere which AB they could have and you’ll mostly get one of 2 replies: savea or r ioane. Maybe a few for Jordan, a few for whitelock and a few for b Barrett. You won’t get papalii, akira, cane or frizzell.
Sami needs to perform against England at twickenham not Argentina in Hamilton to start getting some recognition.
Papalii, A Ioane and Frizz aren't even confirmed 1st choice starters for us, let alone a world XV. Go back not too far and every team would want a Whitelock, Retallick, Smith, BB before Savea. He's not a patch on our great loosies i.e. Mccaw, Jones, Zinzan etc, and also not a great role player like a Kaino or Collins. I also don't think he's that influential in games. He's a great Savea, and maybe at 7 with some more grunt at 6 and 8 he would be a more influential player, as he certainly has some unique ability. To me in the ABs he looks like a standout in a losing team, but I'm not totally convinced that he's not a part of the reason it's a losing team.
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@nostrildamus said in Bledisloe 1:
@Billy-Tell said in Bledisloe 1:
@nzzp said in Bledisloe 1:
@Billy-Tell @game_film he's a phenomenal player. But the reality is if you select him, you have to compromise elsewhere in your loose forward trio.
You're welcome to your opinion, and I think Ardie is awesome, but would he be the best 8 in world rugby?
Edit: for me it's a bit like recognizing BB's incredible physical talents, but that he may not be the best 10 while being one of the best rugby players
As I’ve already posted I’d probably have him at 7. But ask fans from elsewhere which AB they could have and you’ll mostly get one of 2 replies: savea or r ioane. Maybe a few for Jordan, a few for whitelock and a few for b Barrett. You won’t get papalii, akira, cane or frizzell.
Sami needs to perform against England at twickenham not Argentina in Hamilton to start getting some recognition.
Samisoni has played against Argentina but also Australia S Africa Ireland and France!
He fucking monstered the French when he came on, they didn't know what had hit them!
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@Billy-Tell said in Bledisloe 1:
Sami needs to perform against England at twickenham not Argentina in Hamilton to start getting some recognition.
What about the Boks at Ellis Park? Tick.
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@Billy-Tell said in Bledisloe 1:
@nzzp said in Bledisloe 1:
@Billy-Tell @game_film he's a phenomenal player. But the reality is if you select him, you have to compromise elsewhere in your loose forward trio.
You're welcome to your opinion, and I think Ardie is awesome, but would he be the best 8 in world rugby?
Edit: for me it's a bit like recognizing BB's incredible physical talents, but that he may not be the best 10 while being one of the best rugby players
Sami needs to perform against England at twickenham not Argentina in Hamilton to start getting some recognition.
we really cant win, games like the puma in hamilton are too important to experiment with, have to play our best players....but not important enough for any recognition
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@Kiwiwomble said in Bledisloe 1:
@Billy-Tell said in Bledisloe 1:
@nzzp said in Bledisloe 1:
@Billy-Tell @game_film he's a phenomenal player. But the reality is if you select him, you have to compromise elsewhere in your loose forward trio.
You're welcome to your opinion, and I think Ardie is awesome, but would he be the best 8 in world rugby?
Edit: for me it's a bit like recognizing BB's incredible physical talents, but that he may not be the best 10 while being one of the best rugby players
Sami needs to perform against England at twickenham not Argentina in Hamilton to start getting some recognition.
we really cant win, games like the puma in hamilton are too important to experiment with, have to play our best players....but not important enough for any recognition
It’s about building experience for Sami though. He’s a relative unknown right now.
Just on the Argies, one could argue that their consistent inconsistency is a reason results are sometimes passed by. Over the last two years, including last weekend they have played 18 tests - won 7, lost 10 and drawn 1.
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Kurtley Beale returns to Wallabies squad ahead of Bledisloe Tests against All Blacks
Australia coach Dave Rennie has continued to look to proven campaigners to supplement younger talent in naming his squad for the Bledisloe Tests
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@Machpants oh boy we are saved.
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@reprobate said in Bledisloe 1:
@Billy-Tell said in Bledisloe 1:
@nzzp said in Bledisloe 1:
@Billy-Tell @game_film he's a phenomenal player. But the reality is if you select him, you have to compromise elsewhere in your loose forward trio.
You're welcome to your opinion, and I think Ardie is awesome, but would he be the best 8 in world rugby?
Edit: for me it's a bit like recognizing BB's incredible physical talents, but that he may not be the best 10 while being one of the best rugby players
As I’ve already posted I’d probably have him at 7. But ask fans from elsewhere which AB they could have and you’ll mostly get one of 2 replies: savea or r ioane. Maybe a few for Jordan, a few for whitelock and a few for b Barrett. You won’t get papalii, akira, cane or frizzell.
Sami needs to perform against England at twickenham not Argentina in Hamilton to start getting some recognition.
Papalii, A Ioane and Frizz aren't even confirmed 1st choice starters for us, let alone a world XV. Go back not too far and every team would want a Whitelock, Retallick, Smith, BB before Savea. He's not a patch on our great loosies i.e. Mccaw, Jones, Zinzan etc, and also not a great role player like a Kaino or Collins. I also don't think he's that influential in games. He's a great Savea, and maybe at 7 with some more grunt at 6 and 8 he would be a more influential player, as he certainly has some unique ability. To me in the ABs he looks like a standout in a losing team, but I'm not totally convinced that he's not a part of the reason it's a losing team.
At this stage, Ardie’s best position for AB’s is 8. Otherwise Cane goes to the bench and it’s unlike to happen under Foster. Ardie’s ball skills are top notch, ball in hand great, can get over the ball, defensively he’s adequate.
As long as we can rotate a big 6 like Frizell/Barrett in versus the Boks/England & bring Akira on for Wallabies etc our back row mix is solid for RWC.
Given it’s the Wallabies - Cane, Sotutu & Akira is going to work really well. I’m looking forward to seeing them operate. I’d bring Papali’i on a lot earlier to give Cane a breather, maybe even at 50min mark depending on how we’re tracking.
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@KiwiMurph said in Bledisloe 1:
A minute's silence for Willie I would think.
That will probably happen at the RWC 7s. Armbands for the tournament I would think.
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