Foster, Robertson etc
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@No-Quarter said in Foster:
I think it's clear we are moving in a better direction now. Last night was the most confident performance we've seen in a while. Yeah Argentina were probably unlikely to back up after last week, but a 50 point drubbing in the wet is pretty bloody impressive.
Yes we were better. Much better. But given the point we started from, that was inevitably going to happen.
We're now at the point of going into raptures over a home win against an Argentinian team that literally dropped the ball dozens of times. Normally that would be our starting point in terms of expectations.
I also like that we are now rewarding form with consistent selections instead of always going back to the more "experienced" players. It's allowing the team to build solid combinations which will help when the heat is on.
How can we be "rewarding form" when many of them were dreadful last week? And two games before that. We played Cody Taylor last week, for his great form?
Foster has a team, and he plays it until forced to make changes. There's no higher level thinking going on.
The only person who has displaced someone that wasn't forced, or blindingly obvious, is Frizzell. And Foster has always had a hard-on for him anyway.
Really looking forward to the next two games, it's a chance for this team to make a real statement.
Just as we were after Ellis Park.
I fully expect us to destroy Australia, because their style of play is easy for us. But then I thought we would destroy Argentina in both games too.
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@Chester-Draws I'm not really interested in debating the hyperbolic statements you make. Nobody is in "raptures" after beating Argentina. But if you can't accept that a 50 point drubbing in the wet with just 3 handling errors all game is impressive, then there's no pleasing you. In fact even if we won the RWC I imagine you still won't be happy because it would paint Foster as a decent coach when that's surely not the case.
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@Machpants said in Foster:
The game plan was better. We played much better. Just need to back up next game to suggest this is real improvement and not a one off response
Both bleds need this level to make me feel maybe a corner has been turned under foster.
First can we beat a wounded Oz after a good performance, playing away?
Then, following that victory, can we keep our standards when complacency will be strong, Eden park hoodoo, just best them last week, etc.3 good performances.
Even GH and Shag said 3 top performances on the trot was very difficult in the pro era. I want to see continued refinement of the game plan and execution
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@Machpants said in Foster:
The game plan was better. We played much better. Just need to back up next game to suggest this is real improvement and not a one off response
Both bleds need this level to make me feel maybe a corner has been turned under foster.
First can we beat a wounded Oz after a good performance, playing away?
Then, following that victory, can we keep our standards when complacency will be strong, Eden park hoodoo, just best them last week, etc.3 good performances.
Even GH and Shag said 3 top performances on the trot was very difficult in the pro era. I want to see continued refinement of the game plan and execution
They also said after 2 you can win 3 but need fresh legs to achieve it as getting up for 3 is tough.
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@Machpants said in Foster:
The game plan was better. We played much better. Just need to back up next game to suggest this is real improvement and not a one off response
Both bleds need this level to make me feel maybe a corner has been turned under foster.
First can we beat a wounded Oz after a good performance, playing away?
Then, following that victory, can we keep our standards when complacency will be strong, Eden park hoodoo, just best them last week, etc.3 good performances.
Even GH and Shag said 3 top performances on the trot was very difficult in the pro era. I want to see continued refinement of the game plan and execution
Totally, thus 3 good performances. Enough to win, cos it's only Oz
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@Machpants said in Foster:
@Machpants said in Foster:
The game plan was better. We played much better. Just need to back up next game to suggest this is real improvement and not a one off response
Both bleds need this level to make me feel maybe a corner has been turned under foster.
First can we beat a wounded Oz after a good performance, playing away?
Then, following that victory, can we keep our standards when complacency will be strong, Eden park hoodoo, just best them last week, etc.3 good performances.
Even GH and Shag said 3 top performances on the trot was very difficult in the pro era. I want to see continued refinement of the game plan and execution
Totally, thus 3 good performances. Enough to win, cos it's only Oz
That was a great performance, so 1 out of 3 good or better, so farI think we are generally in agreement. It's about the style of play as much as the result. A sneaky win playing helter skelter rugby but generally playing poorly will be considered a step back
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@Machpants said in Foster:
@Machpants said in Foster:
The game plan was better. We played much better. Just need to back up next game to suggest this is real improvement and not a one off response
Both bleds need this level to make me feel maybe a corner has been turned under foster.
First can we beat a wounded Oz after a good performance, playing away?
Then, following that victory, can we keep our standards when complacency will be strong, Eden park hoodoo, just best them last week, etc.3 good performances.
Even GH and Shag said 3 top performances on the trot was very difficult in the pro era. I want to see continued refinement of the game plan and execution
Totally, thus 3 good performances. Enough to win, cos it's only Oz
That was a great performance, so 1 out of 3 good or better, so farI think we are generally in agreement. It's about the style of play as much as the result. A sneaky win playing helter skelter rugby but generally playing poorly will be considered a step back
Last night was helter-skelter. Things stuck but it will be very hard to successfully replicate.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Foster:
@Machpants said in Foster:
@Machpants said in Foster:
The game plan was better. We played much better. Just need to back up next game to suggest this is real improvement and not a one off response
Both bleds need this level to make me feel maybe a corner has been turned under foster.
First can we beat a wounded Oz after a good performance, playing away?
Then, following that victory, can we keep our standards when complacency will be strong, Eden park hoodoo, just best them last week, etc.3 good performances.
Even GH and Shag said 3 top performances on the trot was very difficult in the pro era. I want to see continued refinement of the game plan and execution
Totally, thus 3 good performances. Enough to win, cos it's only Oz
That was a great performance, so 1 out of 3 good or better, so farI think we are generally in agreement. It's about the style of play as much as the result. A sneaky win playing helter skelter rugby but generally playing poorly will be considered a step back
Last night was helter-skelter. Things stuck but it will be very hard to successfully replicate.
We need to be even more controlled
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@Crazy-Horse said in Foster:
@Machpants said in Foster:
@Machpants said in Foster:
The game plan was better. We played much better. Just need to back up next game to suggest this is real improvement and not a one off response
Both bleds need this level to make me feel maybe a corner has been turned under foster.
First can we beat a wounded Oz after a good performance, playing away?
Then, following that victory, can we keep our standards when complacency will be strong, Eden park hoodoo, just best them last week, etc.3 good performances.
Even GH and Shag said 3 top performances on the trot was very difficult in the pro era. I want to see continued refinement of the game plan and execution
Totally, thus 3 good performances. Enough to win, cos it's only Oz
That was a great performance, so 1 out of 3 good or better, so farI think we are generally in agreement. It's about the style of play as much as the result. A sneaky win playing helter skelter rugby but generally playing poorly will be considered a step back
Last night was helter-skelter. Things stuck but it will be very hard to successfully replicate.
I can't agree that last night was helter skelter.
Direct in the forwards
Smart kicking in behind in the wet with a strong chase.
More linespeed in defence and counter rucking.
They chanced their arm when under advantage but when you're under advatange that's fine.
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what this shows is that we do have the players, but maybe that they are a ways off bedding in the new systems/game plan...I mean to go from that loss last week to winning that way last night, shows there clearly is some work yet to be done.
I feel more confident we will retain the Bledisloe, but I think it will be the EOYT when we see if they have managed to make ground back up or not.
But after some shite, enjoy a good performance.
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@No-Quarter said in Foster:
@Chester-Draws I'm not really interested in debating the hyperbolic statements you make. Nobody is in "raptures" after beating Argentina. But if you can't accept that a 50 point drubbing in the wet with just 3 handling errors all game is impressive, then there's no pleasing you. In fact even if we won the RWC I imagine you still won't be happy because it would paint Foster as a decent coach when that's surely not the case.
Oh yes, there are people in raptures. I woke up to "World media hail All Blacks' 'ruthless mindset' in 50-point win over Argentina". Mostly not on the Fern, though, and some in the media seem to have learned caution.
But I have been burnt by Foster enough that I no longer give him the benefit of the doubt that I would with others. I didn't think the corner had been turned after Ellis Park, which meant that I wasn't particularly annoyed by last week. And I don't think the corner has been turned now either.
If I'm wrong, and the coaches have sorted out the issues bedeviling us, rather than just getting an opponent off their game, then I will enjoy our games because we will be playing good rugby. If, as I suspect, no major learnings have occurred, then I won't be going to bed in a rage.
Edit: And if we win the RWC I will be pleased. For the players, and especially with the new coaches. Just as the Saffers will have enjoyed winning just after their coaching change to put in Erasmus.
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@KiwiMurph said in Foster:
@Crazy-Horse said in Foster:
@Machpants said in Foster:
@Machpants said in Foster:
The game plan was better. We played much better. Just need to back up next game to suggest this is real improvement and not a one off response
Both bleds need this level to make me feel maybe a corner has been turned under foster.
First can we beat a wounded Oz after a good performance, playing away?
Then, following that victory, can we keep our standards when complacency will be strong, Eden park hoodoo, just best them last week, etc.3 good performances.
Even GH and Shag said 3 top performances on the trot was very difficult in the pro era. I want to see continued refinement of the game plan and execution
Totally, thus 3 good performances. Enough to win, cos it's only Oz
That was a great performance, so 1 out of 3 good or better, so farI think we are generally in agreement. It's about the style of play as much as the result. A sneaky win playing helter skelter rugby but generally playing poorly will be considered a step back
Last night was helter-skelter. Things stuck but it will be very hard to successfully replicate.
I can't agree that last night was helter skelter.
Direct in the forwards
Smart kicking in behind in the wet with a strong chase.
More linespeed in defence and counter rucking.
They chanced their arm when under advantage but when you're under advatange that's fine.
It wasn't dry weather helter-skelter, but it was the wet weather version. It worked last night.
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they are now using DH as he should be used, he was good.
But Caleb is still a weak point in defence, luckily we managed to escape last night, Argies were committed but panicked and made marginal mistakes at the wrong time and luckily the ABs knew when to pounce, carry, and pass. But no doubt that was a forward victory, I am so impressed with the front row. Didn't notice Lomax as much as others but on second viewing he was up in their faces and even when De Groot was cleaned from a ruck he managed to take several players with him.
Rieko had great timing and so did DH but as I said regards Caleb the other backs were a little bit off. Luckily the Argies don't have great ball handling skills and they didn't know how to respond.
I think we are better but for the RWC in France I still think we have a great many workons before we face France Ireland or England again (S Africa-will depend).
(At this stage I can't see Australia having enough depth and skill even with Quade back to be a major threat deep into the RWC).
But yes even as much as I like Caleb (and he supported very well) he is a defensive liability at the moment. -
@nostrildamus said in Foster:
they are now using DH as he should be used, he was good.
But Caleb is still a weak point in defence, luckily we managed to escape last night, Argies were committed but panicked and made marginal mistakes at the wrong time and luckily the ABs knew when to pounce, carry, and pass. But no doubt that was a forward victory, I am so impressed with the front row. Didn't notice Lomax as much as others but on second viewing he was up in their faces and even when De Groot was cleaned from a ruck he managed to take several players with him.
Rieko had great timing and so did DH but as I said regards Caleb the other backs were a little bit off. Luckily the Argies don't have great ball handling skills and they didn't know how to respond.
I think we are better but for the RWC in France I still think we have a great many workons before we face France Ireland or England again (S Africa-will depend).
(At this stage I can't see Australia having enough depth and skill even with Quade back to be a major threat deep into the RWC).
But yes even as much as I like Caleb (and he supported very well) he is a defensive liability at the moment.For a big guy his defence is pretty shite. He uses all his power in attack and pretty much saves none for defence.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Foster:
@Machpants said in Foster:
@Machpants said in Foster:
The game plan was better. We played much better. Just need to back up next game to suggest this is real improvement and not a one off response
Both bleds need this level to make me feel maybe a corner has been turned under foster.
First can we beat a wounded Oz after a good performance, playing away?
Then, following that victory, can we keep our standards when complacency will be strong, Eden park hoodoo, just best them last week, etc.3 good performances.
Even GH and Shag said 3 top performances on the trot was very difficult in the pro era. I want to see continued refinement of the game plan and execution
Totally, thus 3 good performances. Enough to win, cos it's only Oz
That was a great performance, so 1 out of 3 good or better, so farI think we are generally in agreement. It's about the style of play as much as the result. A sneaky win playing helter skelter rugby but generally playing poorly will be considered a step back
Last night was helter-skelter. Things stuck but it will be very hard to successfully replicate.
I think we showed a LOT more control last night. Sure, we had them under the pump from the off, but the level of game control was way, way better and the precision in the wet was just off the scale
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@TheMojoman said in Foster:
I knew Fozzie would come through, always had faith in him..what an amazing coach 😜
So NZR..where to from here?
Next 3 RWC😉
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@mariner4life I love that people now don’t enjoy all black wins with great performances!!
Weeeaaakkkkk
A lot of people seem less interested in whether the ABs win or not than who the coach is, sadly.
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Player wise nothing much has changed recently except the new front row.
It validates what everyone on here knows that the organisation, leadership and coaching hasn't been up to scratch -
NZR won't be getting a xmas card from me this year
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
@mariner4life I love that people now don’t enjoy all black wins with great performances!!
Weeeaaakkkkk
A lot of people seem less interested in whether the ABs win or not than who the coach is, sadly.
Losing 6 from 8 will do that to you sadly. Particularly if it includes the first ever home losses to the Paddies and Argies. Let's also not forget that alot of people were pissed off that Foster got the job in the first place.
