All Blacks v Argentina II
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Victor-Meldrew I'd drop both wingers, but there's not really anyone to replace Clarke - he's just a bit rough imo, falls off tackles far too easily for a big bloke and half the time tackles himself before trying to bump someone off. He's improving though.
I think Reece has oodles more to offer than Jordan at the moment. Intensity and commitment would be a good start.
Agree on Caleb. I'd stick with him in the 23 but give Reece a start.
I'd also stick with Will Jordan for now. I think it's just that things are going his way. Some of his defensive work is top-notch
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@reprobate said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bones Jordan's a fullback, Jordie's a fullback - and neither of them are a patch on Reece on the wing.
We just need to make a decision instead of trying to squeeze them both onto the field.Jordie to 12, easy. He can at least hit the line hard, and rieko and him seen to operate very well together
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@reprobate Argentina had a shitter, they played worse than Ireland in the first test.
Cause and effect had nothing to do with it huh?
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@reprobate Argentina had a shitter, they played worse than Ireland in the first test.
Cause and effect had nothing to do with it huh?
our forwards got them on the back foot and they looked ordinary when they couldn't pressure us.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@reprobate Argentina had a shitter, they played worse than Ireland in the first test.
Cause and effect had nothing to do with it huh?
Imo is like most things, complex. Argy played poorly, ABs played better, and that feeds of each other, amplifying both things. And one thing is still true, give the ABs the space and they will rip you apart. It's just so rare for top teams to do that anymore
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@Machpants said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@reprobate Argentina had a shitter, they played worse than Ireland in the first test.
Cause and effect had nothing to do with it huh?
Imo is like most things, complex. Argy played poorly, ABs played better, and that feeds of each other, amplifying both things. And one thing is still true, give the ABs the space and they will rip you apart. It's just so rare for top teams to do that anymore
it wasn't just space though was it, but also a great deal with forwards driving up the middle, supporting each other, and not giving an inch.
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People just need to keep in mind that Argentina didn't play much rugby last week either. They were just kept in it by poor discipline and some weird refereeing. A lucky bounce and then some panic cemented it.
The turnaround this week was the All Blacks accuracy and better refereeing.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Machpants said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@reprobate Argentina had a shitter, they played worse than Ireland in the first test.
Cause and effect had nothing to do with it huh?
Imo is like most things, complex. Argy played poorly, ABs played better, and that feeds of each other, amplifying both things. And one thing is still true, give the ABs the space and they will rip you apart. It's just so rare for top teams to do that anymore
it wasn't just space though was it, but also a great deal with forwards driving up the middle, supporting each other, and not giving an inch.
Passes to players and players catching the frikken ball!
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@Machpants said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@reprobate said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bones Jordan's a fullback, Jordie's a fullback - and neither of them are a patch on Reece on the wing.
We just need to make a decision instead of trying to squeeze them both onto the field.Jordie to 12, easy. He can at least hit the line hard, and rieko and him seen to operate very well together
I think this is the move to make. Jordie can do the little chip kicks as good if not better than Havili anyway. There is nothing Havili does that Jordie can't do in my opinion.
I want to see Will Jordan getting the ball with the field in front of him and picking out fatties to run at.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@reprobate Argentina had a shitter, they played worse than Ireland in the first test.
Cause and effect had nothing to do with it huh?
I'm sure we could have put in a performance as seen in most other tests and at least made them look ok.
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@Steve said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Machpants said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@reprobate said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bones Jordan's a fullback, Jordie's a fullback - and neither of them are a patch on Reece on the wing.
We just need to make a decision instead of trying to squeeze them both onto the field.Jordie to 12, easy. He can at least hit the line hard, and rieko and him seen to operate very well together
I think this is the move to make. Jordie can do the little chip kicks as good if not better than Havili anyway. There is nothing Havili does that Jordie can't do in my opinion.
I want to see Will Jordan getting the ball with the field in front of him and picking out fatties to run at.
I suspect DH links a little quicker and is a more intuitive player but yes Jordie's bulk would be handy.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I think it's just that things are going his way.
The harder you work, the luckier you get.
Things aren't going to go his way if he keeps halfheartedly chasing kicks and overrunning players with the ball because he's too lazy to get aligned properly.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I'm still not completely sold on Lomax, but the alternatives are even worse (and old). He isn't very effective taking the ball into contact and is far too upright.
Ofa? But Lomax for me supplants Angus T.
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@pakman said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I'm still not completely sold on Lomax, but the alternatives are even worse (and old). He isn't very effective taking the ball into contact and is far too upright.
Ofa? But Lomax for me supplants Angus T.
Lomax doesn’t do as many dumb things as Ofa. Ofa replaces Angus
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@reprobate said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Samisoni is unreal: the more consistently outstanding he is week after week the more absurd the decision to drop him from the Irish decider looks. De Groot and Lomax keep improving too.
Whitelock good again, and Frizzel is making the team better, he helps the balance of the loosies with Savea at 8. Cane remains a very good tackler, and suits a wet game.
Aaron Smith good.
Mounga flakey as fuck, but he's still our best option and I really think it is how he has been told to play. Our short kicking tactic will continue to cost us against better sides. It was a relative success, but we still turned the ball over heaps with those kicks, and only won a couple back. Only one was a really good kick. Fortunately the Argies would then just knock it on, and despite our casual attitude to possession we ended up with heaps of it because of their error count (a lot forced by our good defence).Good fun game to watch in shit conditions, but I do reckon that next close game we'll still be doing dumb stuff and it'll cost us.
Point is that although short kicks didn’t pay off immediately they forced Pumas to alter defence shape, creating more room. Much smarter than last week.
