Foster, Robertson etc
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@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants Are you Highlander?
There are definitely some posts on the Roar site that look like they've been copied and pasted from, or to, the Fern. From more than one person.
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@MajorRage said in Foster:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Foster:
@MajorRage said in Foster:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Foster:
@MajorRage said in Foster:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Foster:
Interesting the decline in AB rugby started late 2016, was in fast forward in 2019 and is now in overdrive but its only the Cantabs that are playing shit under Foster and not for a proven winning coach. So, the solution is to select players underperforming from teams with less of a record and hope they stand up? Its clear as fucken day late era Hansen and Foster have fucked this team into oblivion. As the head fucking coach it is your responsibility to get the team to gel. 3 fucking years of this depressing shit. And it hasn't hit the bottom yet. We still have Japan, Scotland and the Bled to lose. But sure, thats on the Cantabs.
It’s quite spectacular that it’s taken you 3 attempts to reply, but have still completely missed the point I was making and decided to go all playing the Cantab victim.
Have another crack.
That's your bitch? That I had editing issues?
I have no “bitch” … Your retort was just so far off the mark.
Here’s a starter for 10 … I never said the cantabs were shit under Foster. You did.
"Reality is that if Cantab's can't play good underneath him, then he shouldn't select them."
And your point is … ?
You are making no sense at all.
Your argument, Champ.
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@Stargazer said in Foster:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants Are you Highlander?
There are definitely some posts on the Roar site that look like they've been copied and pasted from, or to, the Fern. From more than one person.
Not me! Although I say the same sort of things, I haven't got a split personality.
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If by some absolute freaking miracle Foster's team wins the RWC, will that make this pain and horrible losses worth it? My answer is a resounding no, but curious as to what others think. -
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster:
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If by some absolute freaking miracle Foster's team wins the RWC, will that make this pain and horrible losses worth it? My answer is a resounding no, but curious as to what others think.I'll join you with that "no". The damage done to the legacy can't be undone.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster:
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If by some absolute freaking miracle Foster's team wins the RWC, will that make this pain and horrible losses worth it? My answer is a resounding no, but curious as to what others think.Nope no nup. Still not worth it.
I expect us to win the world cup but not to be the laughing stock of world rugby in the build up.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster:
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If by some absolute freaking miracle Foster's team wins the RWC, will that make this pain and horrible losses worth it? My answer is a resounding no, but curious as to what others think.No the legacy is bleeding for a long time more due to Foster.
If he does do we have 4 more years of Foster.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
ANother excellent article on The Roar by Highlander
Scott Robertson’s side don’t play ball in hand from everywhere nonsense. They attack you up front, they grind you into the ground, they push you off the gain line, they earn the right to go wide, they kick for territory, then and only then, do they let that extremely talented backline loose on the opposition.
I am not so sure about that. There were a number of times this season I was getting frustrated at the Crusaders trying to do the flashy stuff before earning the right to do so.
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The argument that coaches need some international experience before getting the head coaching role has been more or less blown apart by Foster. He had plenty of international experience. It appears to have done him little good.
Head coach and assistant coach are different.
If the argument is that you need international head coaching experience before becoming AB coach, then that is utterly bonkers. We should export all our best coaches at the height of their careers, then only appoint them once they are past their best and everyone else has worked out how to play against them???
Appointing any coach is always a risk. There's no way to avoid that. Just appoint the person who has been successful previously and appears to be up to date with modern play.
I would say that appointing Gatland or Schmidt is every bit as risky as appointing Robertson, no matter how experienced they are. Gatland's time at the Chiefs does not inspire confidence. Schmidt has shown an inflexibility to move on.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Foster:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
ANother excellent article on The Roar by Highlander
Scott Robertson’s side don’t play ball in hand from everywhere nonsense. They attack you up front, they grind you into the ground, they push you off the gain line, they earn the right to go wide, they kick for territory, then and only then, do they let that extremely talented backline loose on the opposition.
I am not so sure about that. There were a number of times this season I was getting frustrated at the Crusaders trying to do the flashy stuff before earning the right to do so.
Yeah there was some of that. But hey I’m pretty sure they improved and nailed it when it counted!
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@Chester-Draws said in Foster:
The argument that coaches need some international experience before getting the head coaching role has been more or less blown apart by Foster. He had plenty of international experience. It appears to have done him little good.
Head coach and assistant coach are different.
If the argument is that you need international head coaching experience before becoming AB coach, then that is utterly bonkers. We should export all our best coaches at the height of their careers, then only appoint them once they are past their best and everyone else has worked out how to play against them???
Appointing any coach is always a risk. There's no way to avoid that. Just appoint the person who has been successful previously and appears to be up to date with modern play.
I would say that appointing Gatland or Schmidt is every bit as risky as appointing Robertson, no matter how experienced they are. Gatland's time at the Chiefs does not inspire confidence. Schmidt has shown an inflexibility to move on.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster:
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If by some absolute freaking miracle Foster's team wins the RWC, will that make this pain and horrible losses worth it? My answer is a resounding no, but curious as to what others think.No the legacy is bleeding for a long time more due to Foster.
If he does do we have 4 more years of Foster.
I don't think we do. Foster will have been in for 10 years with a 50% win ratio. He was a dog's hair from being given the arse. I'm sure the board has had a gutsful of the results over the last 3 years and will show him the door regardless. I'm also certain Foster, if won, will go out with a big "FUCK YOU" to the NZ public.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster:
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If by some absolute freaking miracle Foster's team wins the RWC, will that make this pain and horrible losses worth it? My answer is a resounding no, but curious as to what others think.Suzie would have to work some long hours and need some really good time management skills for that to happen.
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@Chester-Draws said in Foster:
If the argument is that you need international head coaching experience before becoming AB coach, then that is utterly bonkers.
It is, and it has never been the argument.
The argument is that Super and Tests are different games, with different cadences (squad selection, time with players, control of conditioning, etc) and that international experience is very helpful in transitioning to the international game.
I could understand why in 2019 you'd go Foster over Robertson. Ideally, if Robertson went somewhere different, it would be incredibly valuable for his development. Now that ship has sailed, he's clearly the best available choice, and we're getting into petty provincial bullshit on the Fern.
Go the ABs, but Foster can take a long walk off a short pier.
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The argument is that Super and Tests are different games, with different cadences (squad selection, time with players, control of conditioning, etc) and that international experience is very helpful in transitioning to the international game
also Super Rugby is a second rate provincial comp where half the teams are complete dogshit, and another couple are as mid as it's possible to get. And of the two countries involved, one country's best players are overseas.
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Cantabs were good under Hansen
Non-Cantabs in bad form or performance under Foster include Coles, Paps had a mediocre game at 6, Smith hasn't been himself, Jordie not in top form, BB, well, is BB-ordinary, the non-Crusaders props have been up and down, somebody called Sam Cane, BBR wasn't the same, TJP.. plus Sotutu
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@mariner4life said in Foster:
The argument is that Super and Tests are different games, with different cadences (squad selection, time with players, control of conditioning, etc) and that international experience is very helpful in transitioning to the international game
also Super Rugby is a second rate provincial comp where half the teams are complete dogshit, and another couple are as mid as it's possible to get. And of the two countries involved, one country's best players are overseas.
I would also suggest law variations not used elsewhere either as well (red card) and referees that allow different leeway on other rules. Example attacking teams going off their feet while cleaning out sometimes ignored/missed or coming from the side not as aggressively technically "pinged" in Super Rugby.
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@Machpants said in Foster:
ANother excellent article on The Roar by Highlander
not reading, but i am guessing Shannon Frizzel is the absolute answer at 6
The ioane's can fuck entirely off
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@nostrildamus said in Foster:
Cantabs were good under Hansen
Non-Cantabs in bad form or performance under Foster include Coles, Paps had a mediocre game at 6, Smith hasn't been himself, Jordie not in top form, BB, well, is BB-ordinary, the non-Crusaders props have been up and down, somebody called Sam Cane, BBR wasn't the same, TJP.. plus Sotutu
and Vaa'i aren't considered good enough as seldom selected, Sami T often put back on bench... as for Akira?Reading your post it just occurred to me that if everyone is playing 'badly' under Foster, how good will Sami T be when he has a decent coach!
