All Blacks v Argentina II

dogmeat

@Dan54 The examples were just following on from earlier posts. Sure the game has evolved but we have always evolved with it and produced world class trio's. Until now.

As for turnover ball - there was this thing called rucking....

reprobate

7 and 8 are the only 2 Argies I'd take in a combined team.
That's our captain, and our replacement captain and apparently only certainty in a world XV...
Our loosies are shit.

Victor Meldrew

@Tim said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/129725286/all-blacks-playmaker-beauden-barrett-confirms-fitness-for-second-pumas-test

Pleased he's back and fit, but, jeez that was a hard read - almost cringeworthy in places. I know it's only one interview, but it was so buzzword & cliche-ridden he sounded like a team leader in a failing call centre.

cgrant

@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

The heat might be on, so they need to roll the dice.

De Groot, ST, Newell (or is he other side) for 65 mins
SW (c) Vaai
Akira, Sotutu, DP
Fakatava, Mounga
Tupaea, Reiko
Clarke, Jordie, Jordan

Coles, lomax, Bower, SB, Savea, Smith, perofeta, Reece

Lomax > Newell, at this time. This will probably change for the next WC or even before. Newell is currently ineffective in the mauls where he seems a bit lost. Lomax is also better at cleaning rucks. Scrummaging is OK for both of them.

Machpants

@Victor-Meldrew Yeah that interview made me feel sick. Foster still finding his feet despite a billion fucking years in the ABs and now be head coach. WTAF?

Victor Meldrew

@Machpants said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

@Victor-Meldrew Yeah that interview made me feel sick. Foster still finding his feet despite a billion fucking years in the ABs and now be head coach. WTAF?

Think he was talking about Schmidt's input and finding their collective feet more than anything else - and the tension between Schmidt's ball-retention approach and the AB's run-the-ball "DNA". Sounds like a bit of a culture-change or culture-clash issue. Surprised to hear that from a 106 Test veteran, though, and thought he'd be a bit more circumspect.

If there's an issue there it needs to be sorted out pronto otherwise Pumas II could look like Pumas I

reprobate

@Victor-Meldrew I think you mean Pumas II could look like Pumas I, which looked like SA I, which looked like IRE III, which looked like IRE II. Which looked like EOYT FRA, which looked like EOYT IRE, which looked like ARG first victory, which looked like IRE first victory, etc etc.
Only if there's an issue of course.

Victor Meldrew

@reprobate said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

@Victor-Meldrew I think you mean Pumas II could look like Pumas I, which looked like SA I, which looked like IRE III, which looked like IRE II. Which looked like EOYT FRA, which looked like EOYT IRE, which looked like ARG first victory, which looked like IRE first victory, etc etc.
Only if there's an issue of course.

Schmidt's day-day involvement only started 2-3 weeks ago.

reprobate

@Victor-Meldrew Yep, i get that. the point being the irony in something being sorted out pronto, at this point.

game_film

Curious to see how Cheika approaches this test. If I were him I’d throw out some different tactics early doors. I know they’re installing a new style under Kidwell but they’ve got a real shot here. The Pumas are one of those teams, a bit like Scotland, capable of a big result but then never back it up. Take advantage of the ABs maybe coming out too hard somehow.

MajorRage

@Kirwan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

I expect us to win whoever we put out. One obvious pattern over the past two years is that the coaching/senior players solve last week's problems for the next game.

If the Argies can offer something new (unlikely) then that could throw a spanner in the works.

Currently we are building a team that will lose a knockout game, can't string two good games together, let alone the three you need to win a World Cup.

Did you watch the third test vs Ireland?

Victor Meldrew

@reprobate

Well, this is the Pumas II thread and how that game pans out, so minimal irony I guess.

MN5

@game_film said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

Curious to see how Cheika approaches this test. If I were him I’d throw out some different tactics early doors. I know they’re installing a new style under Kidwell but they’ve got a real shot here. The Pumas are one of those teams, a bit like Scotland, capable of a big result but then never back it up. Take advantage of the ABs maybe coming out too hard somehow.

That’s really talking up the Scots….unless they’re playing a shit team they have the wood on like Australia.

Victor Meldrew

@MajorRage said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

Did you watch the third test vs Ireland?

If we play that badly again, my wine collection as well as the TV might end up in the swimming pool. If we can at least break the "two losses in a row" pattern we've seen in the last year or so, that would be progress of sorts.

A solid, calm start would be a good thing to see. Get some points on the board and then take control for a good win rather than playing from kick-off as if there's a 50 point cushion.

MN5

@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

@MajorRage said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

Did you watch the third test vs Ireland?

If we play that badly again, my wine collection as well as the TV might end up in the swimming pool. If we can at least break the "two losses in a row" pattern we've seen in the last year or so, that would be progress of sorts.

A solid, calm start would be a good thing to see. Get some points on the board and then take control for a good win rather than playing from kick-off as if there's a 50 point cushion.

Good God man, give yourself an uppercut and get a grip.

Skull the wine to help with the depression, don’t get rid of it.

Bones

@Victor-Meldrew why not go rip up the tennis courts and give Jeeves a damned good thrashing while you're at it old sport. Then set the sauna on fire and feed the caviar to the working dogs before the fox hunt.