Foster, Robertson etc
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@Machpants Exactly. He’s really good when we have front foot ball and space but there’s no space and we haven’t earned the right to go wide. Maybe he can change his game and try to run around the rucks a little bit more, little kicks over the top etc to change things up. The opposition knows he is going to pass.
Addition if the others outside him I’m going to get out the game plan then as the first distributor he can change that right?
I hate to say it but a Marshall type player maybe the type of player we need right now.
Give me Marshall, Jimmy Cowan or Byron Kelleher tucking it under the arm and pumping the legs into contact. yes boiiiii
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@ACT-Crusader said in Foster:
Think about who the leadership group are
Aaron Smith, Beaudy, Cane, Etc are involved
Quiet diminutive fellas .
Need some more McCaws, Reads , Carters that people will actually listen to.
Carter didn’t have to be hidden in the back field . He would put you on your arse and try and flog the ball .
We are hiding our tens in the back field and hooking our captain at 60 minutes.
It’s a shambles
You might need to go back and watch a bit more tape. DC regularly dropped back from the defensive line. It was an important tactic to our kick reception game because of his sweeping left boot. Sure he tackled in the defensive line in set pierce (as does Beaudie and Richie), but DC’s technique and timing as a tackler, for not a big guy, was exceptional.
Fair enough. He just always seemed a more independent 10. No fuss.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Foster:
Think about who the leadership group are
Aaron Smith, Beaudy, Cane, Etc are involved
Quiet diminutive fellas .
Need some more McCaws, Reads , Carters that people will actually listen to.
Carter didn’t have to be hidden in the back field . He would put you on your arse and try and flog the ball .
We are hiding our tens in the back field and hooking our captain at 60 minutes.
It’s a shambles
You might need to go back and watch a bit more tape. DC regularly dropped back from the defensive line. It was an important tactic to our kick reception game because of his sweeping left boot. Sure he tackled in the defensive line in set pierce (as does Beaudie and Richie), but DC’s technique and timing as a tackler, for not a big guy, was exceptional.
Fair enough. He just always seemed a more independent 10. No fuss.
We are talking the greatest 10 to ever play the game. He was our first 10 for a long, long time that could tackle and tackled hard. He was good over the ball as well but his greatest asset I believe was his ability to gain territory with his raking punts that our 10s right now cannot seem to find. his finest game is widely regarded as that Lion's test but for me, what cemented his greatness was the 2015 SF and F where out of nowhere he snapped two really big drop goals.
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
They look a million $ in the red and black
Big difference between Super Rugby and Test Rugby though.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
They look a million $ in the red and black
Big difference between Super Rugby and Test Rugby though.
Absolutely but how is it Razor appears to get them working cohesively as a unit where Fozzie can't get more than 40 mins out of them? Lets not forget, it's not like Argentina have a domestic comp to build cohesion from.
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Absolutely but how is it Razor appears to get them working cohesively as a unit where Fozzie can't get more than 40 mins out of them?
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Different level of intensity at Test level. George Bridge can look a million dollars at SR level.
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Perhaps the Forwards coaching isn't up to par or needs more work.
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@Machpants Exactly. He’s really good when we have front foot ball and space but there’s no space and we haven’t earned the right to go wide. Maybe he can change his game and try to run around the rucks a little bit more, little kicks over the top etc to change things up. The opposition knows he is going to pass.
Addition if the others outside him I’m going to get out the game plan then as the first distributor he can change that right?
I hate to say it but a Marshall type player maybe the type of player we need right now.
Give me Marshall, Jimmy Cowan or Byron Kelleher tucking it under the arm and pumping the legs into contact. yes boiiiii
BK was exceptional at sniping from the base. Will Genia gave me the shits because of this. Problem is though, if Nuggy snipes, will we have two big oaks up his ass cleaning out? I'm not so sure.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Absolutely but how is it Razor appears to get them working cohesively as a unit where Fozzie can't get more than 40 mins out of them?
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Different level of intensity at Test level. George Bridge can look a million dollars at SR level.
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Perhaps the Forwards coaching isn't up to par or needs more work.
He also had Hansen version 4 and Foster as an ABs head coach so there's that.
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Absolutely but how is it Razor appears to get them working cohesively as a unit where Fozzie can't get more than 40 mins out of them?
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Different level of intensity at Test level. George Bridge can look a million dollars at SR level.
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Perhaps the Forwards coaching isn't up to par or needs more work.
He also had Hansen version 4 and Foster as an ABs head coach so there's that.
Bit silly to blame the coach for the gap between Test & Super Rugby. It's like arguing Razor's a shit coach because every player who's outstanding at NPC level doesn't become a Crusaders superstar.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Absolutely but how is it Razor appears to get them working cohesively as a unit where Fozzie can't get more than 40 mins out of them?
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Different level of intensity at Test level. George Bridge can look a million dollars at SR level.
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Perhaps the Forwards coaching isn't up to par or needs more work.
He also had Hansen version 4 and Foster as an ABs head coach so there's that.
Bit silly to blame the coach for the gap between Test & Super Rugby. It's like arguing Razor's a shit coach because every player who's outstanding at NPC level doesn't become a Crusaders superstar.
? Are we not arguing the opposite? Razor seems to get players playing well for him?
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Absolutely but how is it Razor appears to get them working cohesively as a unit where Fozzie can't get more than 40 mins out of them?
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Different level of intensity at Test level. George Bridge can look a million dollars at SR level.
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Perhaps the Forwards coaching isn't up to par or needs more work.
He also had Hansen version 4 and Foster as an ABs head coach so there's that.
Bit silly to blame the coach for the gap between Test & Super Rugby. It's like arguing Razor's a shit coach because every player who's outstanding at NPC level doesn't become a Crusaders superstar.
? Are we not arguing the opposite? Razor seems to get players playing well for him?
Considering that you could argue Foster has never gotten the best out of his teams, I think that point about Razor is quite important. It remains to be seen if he can translate it to test level. But at least he's won stuff
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Razor seems to get players playing well for him?
So does the bloke who coaches the Bodmin 2nd XV. Doesn't mean those players would succeed at 6N level....
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Razor seems to get players playing well for him?
So does the bloke who coaches the Bodmin 2nd XV. Doesn't mean those players would succeed at 6N level....
So what, Foster's coaching is fine but we just don't have the cattle to beat Argentina at home all of a sudden?
Because our players are only good at super level? As opposed to the all time greats littered through the Argentinian, South African and Irish sides? -
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Pretty funny justifications going on here for Taylor. How many Tests does it take to learn to take a half step and throw it down the middle?
Was kinda important.
If there is any accountability left in selection he’d be gone. Stunk up the joint for 35 minutes.
Also - wasn't it an all Crusaders tight 5 when he came on (and wasn't that the point)?
So then it comes back to...what are the Crusaders doing differently to the ABs that make them so successful? They look a million $ in the red and black...
Not always though. And super rugby teams don't seem to be as strong overall as they were in the past.
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@reprobate said in Foster:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Razor seems to get players playing well for him?
So does the bloke who coaches the Bodmin 2nd XV. Doesn't mean those players would succeed at 6N level....
So what, Foster's coaching is fine but we just don't have the cattle to beat Argentina at home all of a sudden?
Nope. Nothing to do with coaching. But everything go do with their being big differences between playerd performing at Test level and a lower level.
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Sorry there's bollox being spoken here NZR ******* up and continue to do so
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in Foster:
@antipodean said in Foster:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Foster:
Aaron Smith coming off with 20 to go was poor as well. He was playing OK, but more to the point what we needed was experience and cool heads, not a guy with basically no experience.
He was playing dog shit by then. Like the rest of 'em. Christie needs a start now.
Not on the form he displayed this year. Like an excitable puppy with the passing to match.
Give Christie a start. Can it be worse that what it is right now?
The passing and direction from rucks would be. Granted he might run more, but that's not enough to compensate based on his form this year.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
@reprobate said in Foster:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Razor seems to get players playing well for him?
So does the bloke who coaches the Bodmin 2nd XV. Doesn't mean those players would succeed at 6N level....
So what, Foster's coaching is fine but we just don't have the cattle to beat Argentina at home all of a sudden?
Nope. Nothing to do with coaching. But everything go do with their being big differences between playerd performing at Test level and a lower level.
Gotcha coaches don't matter, I hope NZR see this and sack the lot, save us a lot of money for keeping our players here.
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Gregor Paul is slightly speculating that Razor would want a mass-cleanout, but it is probably a pretty good educated guess.
I think if the ABs keep losing, NZR will try and persuade Schmidt to take over.
Schmidt would likely keep everyone else on. The fact Schmidt is there lowers Razor's chances of becoming head coach.This might be acceptable looking ass-covering for those at the top without any mass-cleanout being instituted (upon them)
His comment is also a bit overstated regarding the number of people that need cleaning out. Things like masseurs are ad-hoc pay as you go contractors and not formal parts of the set ups.
Would seem silly to wipe out positions like bag man etc and make them re-apply. That kind of thing is dick swinging and has no positives.
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Gregor Paul is slightly speculating that Razor would want a mass-cleanout, but it is probably a pretty good educated guess.
I think if the ABs keep losing, NZR will try and persuade Schmidt to take over.
Schmidt would likely keep everyone else on. The fact Schmidt is there lowers Razor's chances of becoming head coach.This might be acceptable looking ass-covering for those at the top without any mass-cleanout being instituted (upon them)
His comment is also a bit overstated regarding the number of people that need cleaning out. Things like masseurs are ad-hoc pay as you go contractors and not formal parts of the set ups.
Would seem silly to wipe out positions like bag man etc and make them re-apply. That kind of thing is dick swinging and has no positives.
Coaches/Team Management etc are the ones that affect the team so fair enough with them.I assume that Shand and some of the been there forever and might be a bit too comfortable with it crew (e.g., Enoka) would be in the firing line.
To be honest, I'd be happy with a clean-out from the CEO all the way down.
