Worst AB Captain
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Currently we haven't got a fetcher It needs sorting
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Ardie has played almost exclusively at no8 in 2020, 2021 & 2022. This is at SR and Test level. He hasn’t played regularly at 7 since 2019
Apparently keeping him in his regular position is playing him out of position & playing him out of position is not playing him out of position
If you want to move him - fine. I can see merit in that and it may well work. The out of position argument isn’t coherent when he’s been at 8 for so long and is playing well
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@nzzp I think our skills (seeming lack of) are just another symptom of the pressure these guys are under.
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@Duluth said in Worst AB Captain:
Ardie has played almost exclusively at no8 in 2020, 2021 & 2022. This is at SR and Test level. He hasn’t played regularly at 7 since 2019
Apparently keeping him in his regular position is playing him out of position & playing him out of position is not playing him out of position
If you want to move him - fine. I can see merit in that and it may well work. The out of position argument isn’t coherent when he’s been at 8 for so long and is playing well
And more to the point, he's playing well at 8. Even when the tight five goes completely missing like in the last 30mins.
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He would be even better at 7
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SW captain Keep to the thread please
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@BerniesCorner said in Worst AB Captain:
SW captain Keep to the thread please
It is on topic
Some were suggesting playing Savea out of position to replace Cane
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@Damo said in Worst AB Captain:
Cane does not appear to be an effective captain. Neither is he clearly the best in his position.
I would relieve him of the captaincy and give it to Ardie Savea. He strikes me as being the best in his position (no.8) and appears from the outside to be an inspirational leader. He is also the next cab off the rank as when Cane goes off he becomes captain.
I would do that immediately.
I would also bring in Dalton this week to play no 7 and see if that improves our back row balance.
I don't advocate dropping Cane entirely - just give him a week off and reassess.
Agree completely. Ardie or Whitelock are the only real options we have, and Whitelock is getting on in years so I'd give it to Ardie who probably has another 5+ years left in him at at the top level. Let him grow in the role.
The other obvious option is to move Ardie to 7 and bring Sotutu in at 8, that'd really help our balance. With Dalton on the bench we have good cover across all loose forward positions - Scooter, Dalton and Akira covering 6, Dalton and Ardie covering 7, Ardie, Sotutu and Akira covering 8.
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@No-Quarter said in Worst AB Captain:
@Damo said in Worst AB Captain:
Cane does not appear to be an effective captain. Neither is he clearly the best in his position.
I would relieve him of the captaincy and give it to Ardie Savea. He strikes me as being the best in his position (no.8) and appears from the outside to be an inspirational leader. He is also the next cab off the rank as when Cane goes off he becomes captain.
I would do that immediately.
I would also bring in Dalton this week to play no 7 and see if that improves our back row balance.
I don't advocate dropping Cane entirely - just give him a week off and reassess.
Agree completely. Ardie or Whitelock are the only real options we have, and Whitelock is getting on in years so I'd give it to Ardie who probably has another 5+ years left in him at at the top level. Let him grow in the role.
The other obvious option is to move Ardie to 7 and bring Sotutu in at 8, that'd really help our balance. With Dalton on the bench we have good cover across all loose forward positions - Scooter, Dalton and Akira covering 6, Dalton and Ardie covering 7, Ardie, Sotutu and Akira covering 8.
I'm lost. So Akira AND Dalton on the bench?
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@Crucial said in Worst AB Captain:
@nzzp said in Worst AB Captain:
Some 10 man rugby then rebuild from there wouldn't go astray at the moment.Sounds simplistic but I, and others, said this weeks ago.
BTW knowing what Rennie did at the Chiefs, why would you have voted for Foster as AB coach on the fern poll?
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@broughie said in Worst AB Captain:
@Crucial said in Worst AB Captain:
@nzzp said in Worst AB Captain:
Some 10 man rugby then rebuild from there wouldn't go astray at the moment.Sounds simplistic but I, and others, said this weeks ago.
BTW knowing what Rennie did at the Chiefs, why would you have voted for Foster as AB coach on the fern poll?
I cant remember why I did something last week let alone 3 years ago.
Probably on the basis of giving the succession thing a go, Foster possibly being close enough to know what Hansen wasn't hearing. At that stage it was a two year appointment as well.
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@Crucial said in Worst AB Captain:
@No-Quarter said in Worst AB Captain:
@Damo said in Worst AB Captain:
Cane does not appear to be an effective captain. Neither is he clearly the best in his position.
I would relieve him of the captaincy and give it to Ardie Savea. He strikes me as being the best in his position (no.8) and appears from the outside to be an inspirational leader. He is also the next cab off the rank as when Cane goes off he becomes captain.
I would do that immediately.
I would also bring in Dalton this week to play no 7 and see if that improves our back row balance.
I don't advocate dropping Cane entirely - just give him a week off and reassess.
Agree completely. Ardie or Whitelock are the only real options we have, and Whitelock is getting on in years so I'd give it to Ardie who probably has another 5+ years left in him at at the top level. Let him grow in the role.
The other obvious option is to move Ardie to 7 and bring Sotutu in at 8, that'd really help our balance. With Dalton on the bench we have good cover across all loose forward positions - Scooter, Dalton and Akira covering 6, Dalton and Ardie covering 7, Ardie, Sotutu and Akira covering 8.
I'm lost. So Akira AND Dalton on the bench?
Akira starting. Yes, Frizzel can fuck right off.
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@Crucial said in Worst AB Captain:
@Damo said in Worst AB Captain:
Cane does not appear to be an effective captain. Neither is he clearly the best in his position.
I would relieve him of the captaincy and give it to Ardie Savea. He strikes me as being the best in his position (no.8) and appears from the outside to be an inspirational leader. He is also the next cab off the rank as when Cane goes off he becomes captain.
I would do that immediately.
I would also bring in Dalton this week to play no 7 and see if that improves our back row balance.
I don't advocate dropping Cane entirely - just give him a week off and reassess.
How does bringing Dalton in improve the balance? When you say 'clearly not the best in his position', who is? If Ardie then move Ardie
I didn't say that Cane is "clearly not the best" in his position.
I said that Cane is "not clearly the best" in his position.
In other words, Cane might be best but then again he might not be. Others should get a go, particularly a guy who was in good form during Supe like Dalton Papalii.
Ardie is a no.8 in my book. That is his best position in my opinion.
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@Damo said in Worst AB Captain:
@Crucial said in Worst AB Captain:
@Damo said in Worst AB Captain:
Cane does not appear to be an effective captain. Neither is he clearly the best in his position.
I would relieve him of the captaincy and give it to Ardie Savea. He strikes me as being the best in his position (no.8) and appears from the outside to be an inspirational leader. He is also the next cab off the rank as when Cane goes off he becomes captain.
I would do that immediately.
I would also bring in Dalton this week to play no 7 and see if that improves our back row balance.
I don't advocate dropping Cane entirely - just give him a week off and reassess.
How does bringing Dalton in improve the balance? When you say 'clearly not the best in his position', who is? If Ardie then move Ardie
I didn't say that Cane is "clearly not the best" in his position.
I said that Cane is "not clearly the best" in his position.
In other words, Cane might be best but then again he might not be. Others should get a go, particularly a guy who was in good form during Supe like Dalton Papalii.
Ardie is a no.8 in my book. That is his best position in my opinion.
And so you see where the selectors are coming from then? It is Cane or someone untried when every game is a must win.
I understand both sides of the argument but I also think that decision is far easier to make from a keyboard. -
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@dogmeat said in Worst AB Captain:
@Crucial said in Worst AB Captain:
I also think that decision is far easier to make from a keyboard
Another Heathen!
Keyboard warriors are the real deal!!!
- and armchair selectors never make a mistake.
That quote from Mike Tyson springs to mind whenever I hear that term…..
