Worst AB Captain
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Well one things for certain the current loose setup isn't working I'd go dual opens Papalli Savea and Sotutu. More go forward Need to apply more turnover pressure
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@BerniesCorner said in Worst AB Captain:
Well one things for certain the current loose setup isn't working I'd go dual opens Papalli Savea and Sotutu. More go forward Need to apply more turnover pressure
But still two sevens. We need Ardie in 7, a six at six, and an 8 at 8.
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@Machpants said in Worst AB Captain:
@BerniesCorner said in Worst AB Captain:
Well one things for certain the current loose setup isn't working I'd go dual opens Papalli Savea and Sotutu. More go forward Need to apply more turnover pressure
But still two sevens. We need Ardie in 7, a six at six, and an 8 at 8.
Luddite!!!
Blasphemy.
We should have more sevens. If Paps is any good move him hooker.
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@dogmeat said in Worst AB Captain:
@Machpants said in Worst AB Captain:
@BerniesCorner said in Worst AB Captain:
Well one things for certain the current loose setup isn't working I'd go dual opens Papalli Savea and Sotutu. More go forward Need to apply more turnover pressure
But still two sevens. We need Ardie in 7, a six at six, and an 8 at 8.
Luddite!!!
Blasphemy.
We should have more sevens. If Paps is any good move him hooker.
Better than Taylor, I'm sure
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A pair of 7s 77
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@Crucial said in Worst AB Captain:
They are struggling to clean well because our momentum is backwards.
I think partly, and partly the decison making. The lack of cleaning in Bokke 1 was despicable. Just disjointed, inaccurate and the opposition rode the ref and had a field day.
Hell, there are so many areas we're struggling with. Skills are a big one; Cody throwing a skew with us getting a 5 m lineout; we had the chances to win that game but couldn't take them. So frustrating.
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@nzzp said in Worst AB Captain:
@BerniesCorner said in Worst AB Captain:
A pair of 7s 77
why stop there? We've had the 777 FFS
Fucking disaster it was, too
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Currently we haven't got a fetcher It needs sorting
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Ardie has played almost exclusively at no8 in 2020, 2021 & 2022. This is at SR and Test level. He hasn’t played regularly at 7 since 2019
Apparently keeping him in his regular position is playing him out of position & playing him out of position is not playing him out of position
If you want to move him - fine. I can see merit in that and it may well work. The out of position argument isn’t coherent when he’s been at 8 for so long and is playing well
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@nzzp I think our skills (seeming lack of) are just another symptom of the pressure these guys are under.
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@Duluth said in Worst AB Captain:
Ardie has played almost exclusively at no8 in 2020, 2021 & 2022. This is at SR and Test level. He hasn’t played regularly at 7 since 2019
Apparently keeping him in his regular position is playing him out of position & playing him out of position is not playing him out of position
If you want to move him - fine. I can see merit in that and it may well work. The out of position argument isn’t coherent when he’s been at 8 for so long and is playing well
And more to the point, he's playing well at 8. Even when the tight five goes completely missing like in the last 30mins.
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He would be even better at 7
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SW captain Keep to the thread please
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@BerniesCorner said in Worst AB Captain:
SW captain Keep to the thread please
It is on topic
Some were suggesting playing Savea out of position to replace Cane
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@Damo said in Worst AB Captain:
Cane does not appear to be an effective captain. Neither is he clearly the best in his position.
I would relieve him of the captaincy and give it to Ardie Savea. He strikes me as being the best in his position (no.8) and appears from the outside to be an inspirational leader. He is also the next cab off the rank as when Cane goes off he becomes captain.
I would do that immediately.
I would also bring in Dalton this week to play no 7 and see if that improves our back row balance.
I don't advocate dropping Cane entirely - just give him a week off and reassess.
Agree completely. Ardie or Whitelock are the only real options we have, and Whitelock is getting on in years so I'd give it to Ardie who probably has another 5+ years left in him at at the top level. Let him grow in the role.
The other obvious option is to move Ardie to 7 and bring Sotutu in at 8, that'd really help our balance. With Dalton on the bench we have good cover across all loose forward positions - Scooter, Dalton and Akira covering 6, Dalton and Ardie covering 7, Ardie, Sotutu and Akira covering 8.
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@No-Quarter said in Worst AB Captain:
@Damo said in Worst AB Captain:
Cane does not appear to be an effective captain. Neither is he clearly the best in his position.
I would relieve him of the captaincy and give it to Ardie Savea. He strikes me as being the best in his position (no.8) and appears from the outside to be an inspirational leader. He is also the next cab off the rank as when Cane goes off he becomes captain.
I would do that immediately.
I would also bring in Dalton this week to play no 7 and see if that improves our back row balance.
I don't advocate dropping Cane entirely - just give him a week off and reassess.
Agree completely. Ardie or Whitelock are the only real options we have, and Whitelock is getting on in years so I'd give it to Ardie who probably has another 5+ years left in him at at the top level. Let him grow in the role.
The other obvious option is to move Ardie to 7 and bring Sotutu in at 8, that'd really help our balance. With Dalton on the bench we have good cover across all loose forward positions - Scooter, Dalton and Akira covering 6, Dalton and Ardie covering 7, Ardie, Sotutu and Akira covering 8.
I'm lost. So Akira AND Dalton on the bench?
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@Crucial said in Worst AB Captain:
@nzzp said in Worst AB Captain:
Some 10 man rugby then rebuild from there wouldn't go astray at the moment.Sounds simplistic but I, and others, said this weeks ago.
BTW knowing what Rennie did at the Chiefs, why would you have voted for Foster as AB coach on the fern poll?
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@broughie said in Worst AB Captain:
@Crucial said in Worst AB Captain:
@nzzp said in Worst AB Captain:
Some 10 man rugby then rebuild from there wouldn't go astray at the moment.Sounds simplistic but I, and others, said this weeks ago.
BTW knowing what Rennie did at the Chiefs, why would you have voted for Foster as AB coach on the fern poll?
I cant remember why I did something last week let alone 3 years ago.
Probably on the basis of giving the succession thing a go, Foster possibly being close enough to know what Hansen wasn't hearing. At that stage it was a two year appointment as well.
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