Foster, Robertson etc
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Reasons for optimism
Hopefully Jason Ryan and Joe Schmidt can continue to turn around the All Blacks a year out from the RWC, in the same way that Brian Lochore arguably did for Laurie's shambolic 1994 All Blacks efforts leading in to the '95 RWC campaign.
Foster might do better as a genial overall coaching manager too.
Reason for pessimism
As per my stuck record, Foster has past history for mid-season Lazarus-like recoveries, only to revert to form at the start of the next season...
Anyway, best to live in hope I suppose...
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@Donsteppa said in Foster:
, in the same way that Brian Lochore arguably did for Laurie's shambolic 1994 All Blacks efforts leading in to the '95 RWC campaign
Forgot about this. Lochore was a great coach. He never really got the credit he deserved for the first RWC win. It sort-of went to Hart and Wylie. At least until neither won when it mattered most
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@Donsteppa said in Foster:
As per my stuck record, Foster has past history for mid-season Lazarus-like recoveries, only to revert to form at the start of the next season...
Or the next Test.
But yeah, We are where we are and can only hope the corner has been turned.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
Excellent. Another 150 pages of this thread.
A quick summary in case you needed it... :
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Foster should never have been appointed in the first place
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We need to sack Foster and appoint Robertson now
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Robertson wouldn't want to take over after Foster
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Foster will never sack his assistants as they are "family"
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Foster has hung his assistants out to dry by getting rid of them
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Foster is fat
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The players say they support Foster but they are just saying that coz (insert preferred reason here)
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It's going to take some time to turn around Foster's mess and it's silly to say new coach won't achieve instant results
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Jason Ryan has achieved miracles in two weeks
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Robertson wouldn't want to take over after Foster anyway and Robertson's too good a coach to want to work with Foster as an Assistant
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NZR have completely lost the plot and Foster should never have been appointed in the first place
Classic Fern thread
Thanks, was driving back from up north and heard it on the wireless. I came here as fast as I could but I don’t need to scroll up now !!!!
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@Donsteppa said in Foster:
, in the same way that Brian Lochore arguably did for Laurie's shambolic 1994 All Blacks efforts leading in to the '95 RWC campaign
Forgot about this. Lochore was a great coach. He never really got the credit he deserved for the first RWC win. It sort-of went to Hart and Wylie. At least until neither won when it mattered most
NZ Rugby going downhill started around the time Lochore passed.
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@Machpants said in Foster:
@nostrildamus said in Foster:
Excellent. Another 150 pages of this thread.
Nothing to see here, let us move on. NZR has "absolute confidence" in Foster.
We don't
Speech marks speech marks!!
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You think that was bad?
Wait till 2024 and Foster gets re-appointed.
Never happen?
Well the worst AB coach in professional history, by some margin, just got another year. Why not four more?
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Reading further down in this at Robinson's quotes it sounds like the Board told him to get in line and that he had fucked up badly reputation wise.
The whole 'we are learning, we get things wrong' is a smokescreen for incompetence because those were all things that he, and his comms advisors, are paid to get right and at this level of appointed should. They aren't some junior execs learning lessons as the climb the corporate tree. -
@Chester-Draws said in Foster:
You think that was bad?
Wait till 2024 and Foster gets re-appointed.
Never happen?
Well the worst AB coach in professional history, by some margin, just got another year. Why not four more?
Even if he wins RWC23 Foster would be well advised, like that other Waikato servant Beaver, to ride off into the redemption sunset
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Well, I'm happy with the status quo after that last test. We're surrounding Foz with good people now, so hopefully that works. His selection of assistants has been arse, thats now been removed and he's got good cattle in Ryan and Schmidt.
The players love him, the players wanted to give plums and moar the arse after the last NH tour. Foz being too loyal kept them on. Same as his player selection, so hopefully that will change too.
Robertson, again hopefully, has been given the wink for post RWC, and you've got Ryan as the continuity card that the NZRU gets such a hard on over! And he can take whoever he wants in with him. The new broom sweeping clean.
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Reading further down in this at Robinson's quotes it sounds like the Board told him to get in line and that he had fucked up badly reputation wise.
The whole 'we are learning, we get things wrong' is a smokescreen for incompetence because those were all things that he, and his comms advisors, are paid to get right and at this level of appointed should. They aren't some junior execs learning lessons as the climb the corporate tree.Well let's hope so. It seemed to me there was serious anger from the players at the way the team & staff had been treated by Robinson and it looked pretty justifiable
Just park that shit and concentrate on improving things rather than digging even bigger holes and make sure any relationship issues between NZR & the players & coaches are sorted.
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Well, I'm happy with the status quo after that last test. We're surrounding Foz with good people now, so hopefully that works. His selection of assistants has been arse, thats now been removed and he's got good cattle in Ryan and Schmidt.
The players love him, the players wanted to give plums and moar the arse after the last NH tour. Foz being too loyal kept them on. Same as his player selection, so hopefully that will change too.
Robertson, again hopefully, has been given the wink for post RWC, and you've got Ryan as the continuity card that the NZRU gets such a hard on over! And he can take whoever he wants in with him. The new broom sweeping clean.
Who is this new Bartman and when did he learn to type?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
@taniwharugby said in Foster:
“He has been under a lot of pressure, and I know Foz (Foster) doesn’t want to make it about himself, but I just want everyone to know that all the players have got his back. He’s a great coach, he’s got great coaches beside him, and we back him 100 percent. I hope everyone that reads this backs us because we are going to get it.”
Asked if Foster deserved to stay in charge, Savea’s response: “Like I said, he’s my coach. That’s it.”What are they going to get?
Foster's back I think. The sentiment is really strong and complicates any Foster decision by NZR.
“'That's my coach, I back him 100 per cent'.....He has been under a lot of pressure, and I know Foz (Foster) doesn’t want to make it about himself, but I just want everyone to know that all the players have got his back. He’s a great coach, he’s got great coaches beside him, and we back him 100 percent. I hope everyone that reads this backs us because we are going to get it.”
Ardie is such a nice fella.
I wonder how many of the rest of the squad feel this way ?
And when he gets a new coach, he'll get 100% support too. You're never going to say your current coach is ratshit, doesn't make for a happy relationship!
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We won't lose another test this year.
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@mariner4life said in Foster:
We won't lose another test this year.
Oz in Oz, Eng in Eng (last test) will be the tricky ones. I don't see us beating England as we are playing ATM
