Foster, Robertson etc
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@nostrildamus said in Foster:
@nostrildamus said in Foster:
Ok you are all probably right I am just still upset our worst coach in recent memory gets the best coaches to help him fall over the line.
Unfortunately.
There's plenty of coaching nous in the mix now between Ryan, Feek, Cron, Strawbridge and now Schmidt..
Fozzie will be the media fluffer and the boys' shoulder to cry on while the assistants create the master plans.
So basically team manager like I suggested before. The coach one tries to keep away from actual coaching.
These are the contracted 7:
Joe Schmidt (backs and overall strategy), Jason Ryan (forwards), Greg Feek (scrum), Scott McLeod (defence), Andrew Strawbridge (skills coach), David Hill (kicking coach), Mike Cron (hands-off advisory role).
Looks like Fozzie won't be doing much coaching which is a positive I suppose. Get rid of McLeod and we may have a chance.
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@nostrildamus said in Foster:
@nostrildamus said in Foster:
Ok you are all probably right I am just still upset our worst coach in recent memory gets the best coaches to help him fall over the line.
Unfortunately.
There's plenty of coaching nous in the mix now between Ryan, Feek, Cron, Strawbridge and now Schmidt..
Fozzie will be the media fluffer and the boys' shoulder to cry on while the assistants create the master plans.
So basically team manager like I suggested before. The coach one tries to keep away from actual coaching.
These are the contracted 7:
Joe Schmidt (backs and overall strategy), Jason Ryan (forwards), Greg Feek (scrum), Scott McLeod (defence), Andrew Strawbridge (skills coach), David Hill (kicking coach), Mike Cron (hands-off advisory role).
Looks like Fozzie won't be doing much coaching which is a positive I suppose. Get rid of McLeod and we may have a chance.
We don't know McLeod is responsible for the style of defence though. Maybe he is just trying to coach a system he has been told to coach.
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@KiwiMurph Cron is also involved with the Black Ferns, so probably just used as required by all teams.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Foster:
@nostrildamus said in Foster:
@nostrildamus said in Foster:
Ok you are all probably right I am just still upset our worst coach in recent memory gets the best coaches to help him fall over the line.
Unfortunately.
There's plenty of coaching nous in the mix now between Ryan, Feek, Cron, Strawbridge and now Schmidt..
Fozzie will be the media fluffer and the boys' shoulder to cry on while the assistants create the master plans.
So basically team manager like I suggested before. The coach one tries to keep away from actual coaching.
These are the contracted 7:
Joe Schmidt (backs and overall strategy), Jason Ryan (forwards), Greg Feek (scrum), Scott McLeod (defence), Andrew Strawbridge (skills coach), David Hill (kicking coach), Mike Cron (hands-off advisory role).
Looks like Fozzie won't be doing much coaching which is a positive I suppose. Get rid of McLeod and we may have a chance.
We don't know McLeod is responsible for the style of defence though. Maybe he is just trying to coach a system he has been told to coach.
Anything that waters down the influence of the architect of our play over the last 12 to 18 months is a good thing. There was a noticeable shift in our pattern jn Joburg, I hope this continues to evolve
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@His-Bobness great post. You spoil us.
If you were to have the inclination, have a read up about NZRs handling of womens rugby in the past couple of years. That too has ended up in a trouble shooting coach situation drawing on the old hands of Smith and Henry along with some long overdue additions of female coaching assistance.
What we don’t know is if the knowledge and issues are polished turds in the reporting to the board (Robinson’s doing) or if Robinson isn’t being listened to (board with head in the sand)
I suspect Robinson is an arse coverer based on his public behavior recently. He didn’t implement recommendations in the womens game until shit hit the fan and then did the usual trick of diverting attention by calling for another deeper report. -
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Excellent. Another 150 pages of this thread.
A quick summary in case you needed it... :
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Foster should never have been appointed in the first place
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We need to sack Foster and appoint Robertson now
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Robertson wouldn't want to take over after Foster
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Foster will never sack his assistants as they are "family"
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Foster has hung his assistants out to dry by getting rid of them
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Foster is fat
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The players say they support Foster but they are just saying that coz (insert preferred reason here)
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It's going to take some time to turn around Foster's mess and it's silly to say new coach will achieve instant results
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Jason Ryan has achieved miracles in two weeks
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Robertson wouldn't want to take over after Foster anyway and Robertson's too good a coach to want to work with Foster as an Assistant
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NZR have completely lost the plot and Foster should never have been appointed in the first place
Classic Fern thread
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Any excitement in the fact that it is an NZ Board announcement and not a Mark Robinson one? Just saying....
I noticed that. Robinson has f++ked this up so badly the board might have felt they need to step in to fix the mess he has left
And they said Robinson had full support as well.
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@KiwiMurph Cron is also involved with the Black Ferns, so probably just used as required by all teams.
Yep same as Strawbridge etc, they just come into camp and do a bit of work every now and then, they have done it for years, get in kicking coaches etc. I think every pro team does. I know even in Aus Greg Martin used to go down and do kicking with Reds, and many have specialised fitness gurus etc.
Not sure if anyone watched Rugby pod the other night, Parsons and Bryn Hall were saying that teams will watch recordings of games for hours, just to know where to hold their hands when trying to charge down kicks from different players, ie 9 may kick from directly behind a ruck, so you hold hans different to one who kicks from side. They do it for wingers etc in teams they are playing that week, the days of a couple of coaches are well gone.
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@His-Bobness great post. You spoil us.
If you were to have the inclination, have a read up about NZRs handling of womens rugby in the past couple of years. That too has ended up in a trouble shooting coach situation drawing on the old hands of Smith and Henry along with some long overdue additions of female coaching assistance.
What we don’t know is if the knowledge and issues are polished turds in the reporting to the board (Robinson’s doing) or if Robinson isn’t being listened to (board with head in the sand)
I suspect Robinson is an arse coverer based on his public behavior recently. He didn’t implement recommendations in the womens game until shit hit the fan and then did the usual trick of diverting attention by calling for another deeper report.BFs, SANZAR relations, the ABs, Silverlake. The body of work is compelling
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@nostrildamus said in Foster:
Excellent. Another 150 pages of this thread.
Nothing to see here, let us move on. NZR has "absolute confidence" in Foster.
We don't
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Reasons for optimism
Hopefully Jason Ryan and Joe Schmidt can continue to turn around the All Blacks a year out from the RWC, in the same way that Brian Lochore arguably did for Laurie's shambolic 1994 All Blacks efforts leading in to the '95 RWC campaign.
Foster might do better as a genial overall coaching manager too.
Reason for pessimism
As per my stuck record, Foster has past history for mid-season Lazarus-like recoveries, only to revert to form at the start of the next season...
Anyway, best to live in hope I suppose...
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@Donsteppa said in Foster:
, in the same way that Brian Lochore arguably did for Laurie's shambolic 1994 All Blacks efforts leading in to the '95 RWC campaign
Forgot about this. Lochore was a great coach. He never really got the credit he deserved for the first RWC win. It sort-of went to Hart and Wylie. At least until neither won when it mattered most
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@Donsteppa said in Foster:
As per my stuck record, Foster has past history for mid-season Lazarus-like recoveries, only to revert to form at the start of the next season...
Or the next Test.
But yeah, We are where we are and can only hope the corner has been turned.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
Excellent. Another 150 pages of this thread.
A quick summary in case you needed it... :
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Foster should never have been appointed in the first place
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We need to sack Foster and appoint Robertson now
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Robertson wouldn't want to take over after Foster
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Foster will never sack his assistants as they are "family"
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Foster has hung his assistants out to dry by getting rid of them
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Foster is fat
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The players say they support Foster but they are just saying that coz (insert preferred reason here)
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It's going to take some time to turn around Foster's mess and it's silly to say new coach won't achieve instant results
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Jason Ryan has achieved miracles in two weeks
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Robertson wouldn't want to take over after Foster anyway and Robertson's too good a coach to want to work with Foster as an Assistant
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NZR have completely lost the plot and Foster should never have been appointed in the first place
Classic Fern thread
Thanks, was driving back from up north and heard it on the wireless. I came here as fast as I could but I don’t need to scroll up now !!!!
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