Springboks v All Blacks 2
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@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Springbok team for the weekend
If Vermeulen is fit, then that is an upgrade on Wiese. Marx is on the bench, but will come on fresh in the second half as the lungs are burning at altitude.
Jesse Kriel on the wing, he'll chase well and he is quick, but I'm not sure he offers the same aerial threat. He'll do a decent job and he covers midfield.
Ox at loosehead is an upgrade on Nyakane.
6:2 split on the bench. More of the same at the weekend
Neither should have Arendse and Mapimpi given the height of out back three but they still made a meal of the high ball for us.
Mapimpi is very good under the high ball. Arendse...plenty has been written on him. Let's just say that his technique is questionable
It will be interesting to see how Pearce refs the high ball contest at the weekend after what happened last weekend. Wouldn't surprise me if WR have had a word with the ref team to clamp down early so there's no repeat.
Yes but he shouldn't be outjumping taller blokes.
Will Jordan is 188cm. Mapimpi is 184cm. Mapimpi was moving forward. Jordan wasn't. The player with momentum will generally beat a player doing a standing jump.
That's piss weak excuses for me. But I take your point.
Thanks, I think.I guess the point I'm making is, how many high kicks we put up and we lost all but one in the air? I mean, these guys aren't Israel Folau. We should be getting at least parity.
I do agree with you. The technique was off. There were a couple of kicks that there just seemed to be no communication on. The one where J Barrett got injured was when he collided with Sam Cane.
The AB shepherds were not very good.
...and we had exactly the same problem with the high ball against Ireland: their kicks were accurate and they chased well and we gave our catchers no protection, while our kicks were inaccurate, chased poorly, and they shepherded extremely well. But still we have done nothing to address it - if anything getting worse. The Irish showed us what to do, but we are not capable of following their example.
That is poor coaching and teamwork. Clarke and Barrett, and to a lesser extent Jordan, are excellent in the air. -
@Dan54 said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@nzzp said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
how much mental damage is being done to the players? It cannot be a happy environment, and players struggle to perform when they are under relentless negative pressure.
Argument for a change, just for the atmosphere to lift.
Obviously they feeling pressure a bit, and guess Mounga's comments yesterday in press may sum up. Basically said he doesn't care what anyone outside the squad thinks, they trying to fix things and what's coming from outside is no help, and he doesn't care about it. Thought it was interesting, and can see where he coming from up to a point.
Mo'unga is a player, and his responsibility is to do his best under the team instructions - so nothing from outside the camp should make any difference to what he's doing. Saying he doesn't care is probably just a poor choice of words.
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I'm a JB fan, but I'm not sure where this good under the high ball comes from. He is tall so you would think he'd be good, but he really isn't. He seems to always be 50/50 at best with a contested catch.
The person who surprises me the most is Mo'unga He seems to snag a lot of catches, for being such a small guy. -
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
It will be interesting to see how Pearce refs the high ball contest at the weekend after what happened last weekend. Wouldn't surprise me if WR have had a word with the ref team to clamp down early so there's no repeat.
I am a true believer in Murphy's Law, and Murphy's Law would suggest if there is a clamp down it will be an AB who is carded.
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@Darren said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
I'm a JB fan, but I'm not sure where this good under the high ball comes from. He is tall so you would think he'd be good, but he really isn't. He seems to always be 50/50 at best with a contested catch.
The person who surprises me the most is Mo'unga He seems to snag a lot of catches, for being such a small guy.ABs wouldn't have won in Townsville without JB's catching prowess. I think his move between 12 and 15 this season has affected him. He isn't playing well at 15 at all.
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@nostrildamus said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Tim said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Will Jordan is in doubt for the All Blacks second test against the Springboks at Ellis Park this weekend due to a stomach bug.
Stomach bug strikes: All Blacks star in doubt for Boks rematch
He was the leading candidate to start at fullback with Jordie Barrett also in doubt.
Potentially 3 fullbacks down, JB, BB (they should rest him), WJ, does DH have a chance?
Perofeta you'd hope. these guys have to get some games in
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@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Duluth I got as far as putting in the right steps in preparation. They don't seem to be the right steps though eh, despite how stoked he is with the off pitch performance. Surely that has to become clear?
Winning on the training ground, it is like Foster has been infected by Cheika (We just need to do it better) and Cane by Hooper (We trained so very well)
It's so embarassing
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@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Darren said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
I'm a JB fan, but I'm not sure where this good under the high ball comes from. He is tall so you would think he'd be good, but he really isn't. He seems to always be 50/50 at best with a contested catch.
The person who surprises me the most is Mo'unga He seems to snag a lot of catches, for being such a small guy.ABs wouldn't have won in Townsville without JB's catching prowess. I think his move between 12 and 15 this season has affected him. He isn't playing well at 15 at all.
I think the whole team are being affected right now, and we all know who is setting the tone. Tactics tactics tactics
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@Machpants said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Duluth I got as far as putting in the right steps in preparation. They don't seem to be the right steps though eh, despite how stoked he is with the off pitch performance. Surely that has to become clear?
Winning on the training ground, it is like Foster has been infected by Cheika (We just need to do it better) and Cane by Hooper (We trained so very well)
It's so embarassing
Easy to train well when the opposition isn't there....
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@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Darren said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
I'm a JB fan, but I'm not sure where this good under the high ball comes from. He is tall so you would think he'd be good, but he really isn't. He seems to always be 50/50 at best with a contested catch.
The person who surprises me the most is Mo'unga He seems to snag a lot of catches, for being such a small guy.ABs wouldn't have won in Townsville without JB's catching prowess. I think his move between 12 and 15 this season has affected him. He isn't playing well at 15 at all.
Jordie and BB both much better in Townsville. But plenty of AB mistakes in 10-12-13 area from standing too flat. More composed at regrouping.
The mix of Blackadder/Akira/Ardie worked well. The first named was tearing into everything at 7. And almost no 'if in doubt throw it to Ardie', which is SO predictable. Nepo/Codie/Joe and The three Ts, Sami, Karl and Ofa handled the Bok front rows, and maul solid, both until Paddy T came on. AB pack made more hard carries, even though not making huge ground.
Boks also kicked much less precisely than Saturday and hadn't honed their game to such a simple error averse plan.
But definitely some defensive chinks which ABs only exploited once in each game.
A bit more backline depth and composure required.
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@canefan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Machpants said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Duluth I got as far as putting in the right steps in preparation. They don't seem to be the right steps though eh, despite how stoked he is with the off pitch performance. Surely that has to become clear?
Winning on the training ground, it is like Foster has been infected by Cheika (We just need to do it better) and Cane by Hooper (We trained so very well)
It's so embarassing
Easy to train well when the opposition isn't there....
It's Hammertime!
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@pakman do you have access to this article by Nick Bishop?
All Blacks back row desperate for a shake-up
Has the time come to make a big change in the All Blacks loose forwards?
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@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@pakman do you have access to this article by Nick Bishop?
All Blacks back row desperate for a shake-up
Has the time come to make a big change in the All Blacks loose forwards?
I'd recommend people to pay for the sub, it's cheap as, and is worth it for just Bishop's articles - which come with very pertinant GIFs
Foster thinks we're getting there, on the right track. FOster is not the man to lead a revolution. Cane has gone downhill EDIT Mentions injuries are probably a big cause
The synergy between Ardie Savea and Sam Cane in the back row is not obvious. Ardie won lineout ball from the front against Ireland and the Boks (9 takes in total), Cane picked up one throw over the back. Ardie is the main forward ball-carrier, with 124 metres on 32 carries in two-and-a-half matches against the Irish, and 16 significant outcomes, compared to 27 metres and none for Cane. Savea also has more pilfers on the ground than the Chiefs man over the four matches (three for Ardie, one for Sam).
Although Sam Cane has made more tackles (51 to 38 by Savea) it is not enough to disturb the impression that Ardie is doing the work of at least one and a half men.
Several example of Cane doing really fuck all. Several one on ones with Marx, Cane inneffective apart from one. Also on attack he is no threat so is ignored.
Key point, as has often been pointed out here
Ian Foster is still busy insisting on the evolution of his team, but the way in which events are unfolding in two key areas – the combination in midfield and in the back-row – suggests that a revolution in thinking is needed. The mix at numbers 6, 7 and 8 is not right, and probably never will be as long as both Ardie Savea and Sam Cane are seen as essential elements of it.
Savea is currently the best player in Aotearoa, so the focus will inevitably fall on Sam Cane’s position as captain and incumbent number 7. If Savea stays at 8, would New Zealand not profit from a bigger body who offers more at the lineout lineout and on the carry? If he shifts to 7, it creates room for another specialist like Hoskins Sotutu of the Blues, or Marino Mikaele-Tu’u of the Highlanders. Either option offers better balance than what the All Blacks have now.
It is time for protests in the street and fists pumping the air – Vive la Révolution!
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@Machpants said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Ardie won lineout ball from the front against Ireland and the Boks (9 takes in total), Cane picked up one throw over the back. Ardie is the main forward ball-carrier, with 124 metres on 32 carries in two-and-a-half matches against the Irish, and 16 significant outcomes, compared to 27 metres and none for Cane. Savea also has more pilfers on the ground than the Chiefs man over the four matches (three for Ardie, one for Sam).
these stats are fucking appalling. Savea also lost a couple of lineouts which you should never fucking do at 2.
Ardie had 40m in one run for a try, which means 80m on 31 carries. how many errors?
3 turnovers from two players over 4 games from your 7 and 8 is fucking shithouse.Neither player is nailing any sort of a core loose forward role at the moment, and i am sick of the coaching staff just fucking ignoring it.
Sorry mafia, but Cane has to go. he has got too slow to play 7 (happens to the best of us) and is having far too little impact. No pressure on 10s. No turnovers. no protecting our ball. He's one of a couple of "good players not actually positively contributing" who are nailed on to start.
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players in interviews this year have been saying a lot "we just need to cut down the errors" and while this is true, and a few are, or look, unforced
a lot of our errors come because the way we are playing with the ball is putting as much pressure on us as it is the opposition. Every catch is contested, or fraught with danger, because we are throwing a lot of really tight passes, or a guy under pressure has to pass to another guy in a split second. We're inviting errors, which brings its on level of pressure when they add up, and the whole thing snowballs.
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@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Sorry mafia, but Cane has to go.
HoriBoP is en route to revoke your Tauranga Citizenship and Bay of Plenty colours.
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Agree with the article without even reading it. I might even accept it if they took Akira out of the picture despite the fact I think it would be a mistake. Ardie should be at seven, Pap should be on the bench, Akira at six and out next number eight is Sotutu. I’m not altogether SOLD on him but Ardie is not a eight, we need some abrasiveness at 8, and you can put a fork in Cane.
Foster will not make these changes though because he’s invested. He’s going down with the sinking ship. Instead of blooding new locks and trying to find a solution for second five his anus puckers up at the hard decisions. He has no foresight. We, the fern, knew that we had problems with our forwards years ago.
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@Donsteppa said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Sorry mafia, but Cane has to go.
HoriBoP is en route to revoke your Tauranga Citizenship and Bay of Plenty colours.
I'll start stripping off
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