Springboks v All Blacks I
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@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Higgins said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Old-Samurai-Jack But we still have Jason Holland and Mark Hammett must still be lurking somewhere.
Haven’t you heard the breaking news, Hammer is on a flight to Jo’berg to sort out the culture. Hoodies and jandals will become a thing of the past.
Sadly so would any of the few remaining world class players.
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@Machpants said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
if the ref doesn't penalise in this sort of thing
I would agree, but then he goes and penalises Cane for being off his feet, when he's clearly not. So go figure.
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@chimoaus said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
Our complete lack of ability to dominate field position is a real worry. With BB we rarely if ever exit to halfway, often just outside our 22. We rarely kick it out in their 22. If you watch Ireland, they are almost methodical in the way they exit and pretty much reach halfway every time.
I think Warren Gatland said the biggest battle is the battle for halfway, win that and use territory and aggressive defence to build pressure and cause your opponent to make a mistake or get penalised.
We got 1 penalty goal vs Ireland in 3 games, just 1 which is crazy and shows just how disciplined they were and how we struggled to dominate them in their half.
We really just need to get back to basics and try nothing fancy until we earn the right.
Watching 100th at Townsville it was noticeable how much more distance BB was getting on his punts. Odd to lose 15m going to SA?!
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@chimoaus said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Nepia said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@nzzp said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
Rucks need to be hit, proper kicking and passing still needs to be made, scrums need to be won - yes in the last 20 too.
Our ruck work is inaccurate, and our decision making is poor. Early in the second half, our cleaners were away from the ball - so Kitshoff just wandered in and contested it, and won a turnover. It's jut basic rugby; the Bokke were protecting their ball brilliantly
That said, I thought the ref was a bit random and all over the place. All Blacks got frustrated with some of the rulings - but struggled to adapt.
Maybe they'd given up by then as they knew that Gus would award a penalty to Marx even if he was lying on his back 50 metres away from the ruck.
Its all about pictures for the ref isn't it, it all happens so quick, and Marx presents a pretty easy picture for the ref. A good captain would have a word with the Ref and say they are not giving us a clear release making it hard. Or the 6 was laying all over the ball. I think a good captain needs to read the game and get in the ear of the ref early.
Boks so 7 laying all over ball.
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@pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@chimoaus said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Nepia said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@nzzp said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
Rucks need to be hit, proper kicking and passing still needs to be made, scrums need to be won - yes in the last 20 too.
Our ruck work is inaccurate, and our decision making is poor. Early in the second half, our cleaners were away from the ball - so Kitshoff just wandered in and contested it, and won a turnover. It's jut basic rugby; the Bokke were protecting their ball brilliantly
That said, I thought the ref was a bit random and all over the place. All Blacks got frustrated with some of the rulings - but struggled to adapt.
Maybe they'd given up by then as they knew that Gus would award a penalty to Marx even if he was lying on his back 50 metres away from the ruck.
Its all about pictures for the ref isn't it, it all happens so quick, and Marx presents a pretty easy picture for the ref. A good captain would have a word with the Ref and say they are not giving us a clear release making it hard. Or the 6 was laying all over the ball. I think a good captain needs to read the game and get in the ear of the ref early.
Boks so 7 laying all over ball.
What happened to blowing the defenders off our ball instead of waiting for the ref to do it for us?
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@canefan said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@chimoaus said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
Our complete lack of ability to dominate field position is a real worry. With BB we rarely if ever exit to halfway, often just outside our 22. We rarely kick it out in their 22. If you watch Ireland, they are almost methodical in the way they exit and pretty much reach halfway every time.
I think Warren Gatland said the biggest battle is the battle for halfway, win that and use territory and aggressive defence to build pressure and cause your opponent to make a mistake or get penalised.
We got 1 penalty goal vs Ireland in 3 games, just 1 which is crazy and shows just how disciplined they were and how we struggled to dominate them in their half.
We really just need to get back to basics and try nothing fancy until we earn the right.
Here's the thing, BB can punt the ball quite well. But team tactics don't call for it. The tactics are all wrong right now. Put away the box kick, start kicking for territory out of our own half, you know, basic rugby shit
BB is adequate. Seems to kick very straight up and down, whereas most turn body to side a bit more and use the body to swing through. Like a golf shot. Truth though ( I think ) is kicking is not his preferred option, he would rather run. I would like to see us kicking from attacking front foot ball where we are moving forward - so we can kick sliders into the corners. Versus waiting till we have stopped with halfback slinging it back to JB standing behind ruck.
Agree about box kick.
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@canefan said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@chimoaus said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Nepia said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@nzzp said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
Rucks need to be hit, proper kicking and passing still needs to be made, scrums need to be won - yes in the last 20 too.
Our ruck work is inaccurate, and our decision making is poor. Early in the second half, our cleaners were away from the ball - so Kitshoff just wandered in and contested it, and won a turnover. It's jut basic rugby; the Bokke were protecting their ball brilliantly
That said, I thought the ref was a bit random and all over the place. All Blacks got frustrated with some of the rulings - but struggled to adapt.
Maybe they'd given up by then as they knew that Gus would award a penalty to Marx even if he was lying on his back 50 metres away from the ruck.
Its all about pictures for the ref isn't it, it all happens so quick, and Marx presents a pretty easy picture for the ref. A good captain would have a word with the Ref and say they are not giving us a clear release making it hard. Or the 6 was laying all over the ball. I think a good captain needs to read the game and get in the ear of the ref early.
Boks so 7 laying all over ball.
What happened to blowing the defenders off our ball instead of waiting for the ref to do it for us?
Here’s what to do:
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@nostrildamus said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@pakman maybe next time the Bok could use his arms?
Are you trying to trigger me?
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@pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@nostrildamus said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@pakman maybe next time the Bok could use his arms?
Are you trying to trigger me?
Um. No.
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@nostrildamus said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@nostrildamus said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@pakman maybe next time the Bok could use his arms?
Are you trying to trigger me?
Um. No.
Bones has already majored on Marx's yogi-like anti-gravitational abilities!
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@pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@nostrildamus said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@nostrildamus said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@pakman maybe next time the Bok could use his arms?
Are you trying to trigger me?
Um. No.
Bones has already majored on Marx's yogi-like anti-gravitational abilities!
it is really clever though how Marx balances himself against their legs while looking like he isn't leaning on them..
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@nostrildamus clearly he does it well enough to fool the ref, who is the only one he needs to fool.
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@taniwharugby said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@nostrildamus clearly he does it well enough to fool the ref, who is the only one he needs to fool.
Or maybe we have cleaners to take him out.
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@Joans-Town-Jones there's that too, but he is only playing as the ref allows him, something we used to be better at.
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@taniwharugby said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Joans-Town-Jones there's that too, but he is only playing as the ref allows him, something we used to be better at.
100%. I remember commenting at the time, "is he supporting his body weight?" but really, he was mostly uncontested. We deserved to lost those rucks on principle.
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@pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@canefan said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@chimoaus said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Nepia said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@nzzp said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
Rucks need to be hit, proper kicking and passing still needs to be made, scrums need to be won - yes in the last 20 too.
Our ruck work is inaccurate, and our decision making is poor. Early in the second half, our cleaners were away from the ball - so Kitshoff just wandered in and contested it, and won a turnover. It's jut basic rugby; the Bokke were protecting their ball brilliantly
That said, I thought the ref was a bit random and all over the place. All Blacks got frustrated with some of the rulings - but struggled to adapt.
Maybe they'd given up by then as they knew that Gus would award a penalty to Marx even if he was lying on his back 50 metres away from the ruck.
Its all about pictures for the ref isn't it, it all happens so quick, and Marx presents a pretty easy picture for the ref. A good captain would have a word with the Ref and say they are not giving us a clear release making it hard. Or the 6 was laying all over the ball. I think a good captain needs to read the game and get in the ear of the ref early.
Boks so 7 laying all over ball.
What happened to blowing the defenders off our ball instead of waiting for the ref to do it for us?
Here’s what to do:
god i love those, you get the point of your shoulder right where their shoulder joins their neck, hit and drive. If you get it right it almost feels effortless, and the dude is flat on the ground. Feels fucking great.
