Foster, Robertson etc
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@Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@nostrildamus said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
Possibly right strategically?
Can you please explain?
I think we've tried out a few failures that sound OK in theory. Some of this goes back to Hansen days as well.
Deliberately trying to isolate ball carriers by absorbing tackles didn't work as others changed their carrying tactics to slightly delay the cleanout/support with the next group ready for the next hit and get a roll on that was hard to stop.
*in the past we haven't seen such quick tactical reaction from other countries
We've tried 30 odd metre kicking to keep turning around the rush defence with the aim to sometimes get the ball back in an unstructured field. Skills let us down there either from the kicker or the chasers and again the other top teams reacted very quickly to having clear clean up positions and readiness for counter attack.These are tactical failures because they didn't account for capability to execute and reaction from opposition. Strategically they are correct because we aren't going to outmuscle or out-fitness teams anymore and can't rely on the other top teams making skill mistakes like they used to for us to feed off so have to find other ways.
While trying out these failures though we have got into a muddle of not having clear heads on what to do when things aren't working.As an aside it will be interesting to see if in the next game we try a bit more of what Ardie did last week in drawing a penalty by stepping back out of the contact area so the arriving cleaner went off their feet over the ball. Plenty of opportunity to do that more often against these boks.
Need to turn their strengths into weaknesses.
Bok cleaners leave their feet a lot and effectively seal the ball off. This is what Savea showed.
I'll be interested to see how much focus ABs give to the Bok kick chasers this week. AB shepherding was very poor allowing them free runs on the AB catcher. Boks were excellent at picking up the dropped ball from the initial contest.
For all the Bok dominance at the weekend, both of their tries came as a result of dropped balls. Frizell's when he had nobody near him was a coach killer. ABs need to make them work so much harder for 5 pointers.
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@Frank said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
I can actually see what Foster is trying to do but his ideas are being headed off at the pass before they can even get settled.
What is he trying to do?
See two posts above yours for some examples.
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@Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@nostrildamus said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
Possibly right strategically?
Can you please explain?
I think we've tried out a few failures that sound OK in theory. Some of this goes back to Hansen days as well.
Deliberately trying to isolate ball carriers by absorbing tackles didn't work as others changed their carrying tactics to slightly delay the cleanout/support with the next group ready for the next hit and get a roll on that was hard to stop.
*in the past we haven't seen such quick tactical reaction from other countries
We've tried 30 odd metre kicking to keep turning around the rush defence with the aim to sometimes get the ball back in an unstructured field. Skills let us down there either from the kicker or the chasers and again the other top teams reacted very quickly to having clear clean up positions and readiness for counter attack.These are tactical failures because they didn't account for capability to execute and reaction from opposition. Strategically they are correct because we aren't going to outmuscle or out-fitness teams anymore and can't rely on the other top teams making skill mistakes like they used to for us to feed off so have to find other ways.
While trying out these failures though we have got into a muddle of not having clear heads on what to do when things aren't working.As an aside it will be interesting to see if in the next game we try a bit more of what Ardie did last week in drawing a penalty by stepping back out of the contact area so the arriving cleaner went off their feet over the ball. Plenty of opportunity to do that more often against these boks.
Ah ok I see. But we've been trying those tactics for months if not years and if anything getting worse at them. Whatever they do, they have to counter Marx, he had a field day.
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@nostrildamus My problem with Marx is that he is not going for the ball, he is going for the penalty. He leans on the player and holds the ball into the player. Ref sees a picture and .....
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@nostrildamus My problem with Marx is that he is not going for the ball, he is going for the penalty. He leans on the player and holds the ball into the player. Ref sees a picture and .....
Well the captain or the coach needs to have a word. We weren't helped by the ref but when have we last played the ref well? I can't honestly remember!
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@nostrildamus said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@nostrildamus My problem with Marx is that he is not going for the ball, he is going for the penalty. He leans on the player and holds the ball into the player. Ref sees a picture and .....
Well the captain or the coach needs to have a word. We weren't helped by the ref but when have we last played the ref well? I can't honestly remember!
2015?
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@nostrildamus said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@nostrildamus My problem with Marx is that he is not going for the ball, he is going for the penalty. He leans on the player and holds the ball into the player. Ref sees a picture and .....
Well the captain or the coach needs to have a word. We weren't helped by the ref but when have we last played the ref well? I can't honestly remember!
we seem to sit back passively and let the ref figure out on their own what's going wrong.
I fundamentally disagree about teams waving arms at the refs, but every other bloody side is doing it. We're not good enough at the moment to take the moral high ground; get in his ear and influence.
Cane shoudl be spending a bit of time with McCaw to get his knowledge. Lines like 'is that the standard now sir' is just respectful and clear and enables people to then push right to the limit. Far more 'us' than screaming and flapping arms.
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It's nice that Foz is plainly a humble and decent man. But most great coaches marched to their own drum, and they had a bit of the devil to them - Henry, Woodward, Eddie Jones, Erasmus and Razor ( These guys are all capable of thriving in extreme environments.) Fozzie would be most at ease in a tearoom outside Tirau scoffing a lamington.
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@Frank said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
It's nice that Foz is plainly a humble and decent man. But most great coaches marched to their own drum, and they had a bit of the devil to them - Henry, Woodward, Eddie Jones, Erasmus and Razor ( These guys are all capable of thriving in extreme environments.) Fozzie would be most at ease in a tearoom outside Tirau scoffing a lamington.
Managed to throw a subtle fat joke in there at the end.
THAT is ferning.
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@nzzp said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@nostrildamus said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@nostrildamus My problem with Marx is that he is not going for the ball, he is going for the penalty. He leans on the player and holds the ball into the player. Ref sees a picture and .....
Well the captain or the coach needs to have a word. We weren't helped by the ref but when have we last played the ref well? I can't honestly remember!
we seem to sit back passively and let the ref figure out on their own what's going wrong.
I fundamentally disagree about teams waving arms at the refs, but every other bloody side is doing it. We're not good enough at the moment to take the moral high ground; get in his ear and influence.
Cane shoudl be spending a bit of time with McCaw to get his knowledge. Lines like 'is that the standard now sir' is just respectful and clear and enables people to then push right to the limit. Far more 'us' than screaming and flapping arms.
In a sport like rugby where the application of the laws isn’t always easy - “no two situations are the same” - there has to be an element of playing to the ref. Call it playing “close to the line” or “on the edge”, or “getting in the refs ear”, but really what that means is putting doubt in the ref’s mind to not blow a penalty and for you and your team to get an advantage.
No doubt that the more you are able to exploit that will come a confidence in what you are doing. The good players will be able to do that. The great players can do that and also adjust when required.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@nzzp said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@nostrildamus said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@nostrildamus My problem with Marx is that he is not going for the ball, he is going for the penalty. He leans on the player and holds the ball into the player. Ref sees a picture and .....
Well the captain or the coach needs to have a word. We weren't helped by the ref but when have we last played the ref well? I can't honestly remember!
we seem to sit back passively and let the ref figure out on their own what's going wrong.
I fundamentally disagree about teams waving arms at the refs, but every other bloody side is doing it. We're not good enough at the moment to take the moral high ground; get in his ear and influence.
Cane shoudl be spending a bit of time with McCaw to get his knowledge. Lines like 'is that the standard now sir' is just respectful and clear and enables people to then push right to the limit. Far more 'us' than screaming and flapping arms.
In a sport like rugby where the application of the laws isn’t always easy - “no two situations are the same” - there has to be an element of playing to the ref. Call it playing “close to the line” or “on the edge”, or “getting in the refs ear”, but really what that means is putting doubt in the ref’s mind to not blow a penalty and for you and your team to get an advantage.
No doubt that the more you are able to exploit that will come a confidence in what you are doing. The good players will be able to do that. The great players can do that and also adjust when required.
McCaw got better at manipulating the refs as he went on. Fitzy too
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@Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
I'm not excusing his results or abilities just thinking a wee bit beyond 'the guy is useless'
Heretic
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@canefan said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@ACT-Crusader said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@nzzp said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@nostrildamus said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@nostrildamus My problem with Marx is that he is not going for the ball, he is going for the penalty. He leans on the player and holds the ball into the player. Ref sees a picture and .....
Well the captain or the coach needs to have a word. We weren't helped by the ref but when have we last played the ref well? I can't honestly remember!
we seem to sit back passively and let the ref figure out on their own what's going wrong.
I fundamentally disagree about teams waving arms at the refs, but every other bloody side is doing it. We're not good enough at the moment to take the moral high ground; get in his ear and influence.
Cane shoudl be spending a bit of time with McCaw to get his knowledge. Lines like 'is that the standard now sir' is just respectful and clear and enables people to then push right to the limit. Far more 'us' than screaming and flapping arms.
In a sport like rugby where the application of the laws isn’t always easy - “no two situations are the same” - there has to be an element of playing to the ref. Call it playing “close to the line” or “on the edge”, or “getting in the refs ear”, but really what that means is putting doubt in the ref’s mind to not blow a penalty and for you and your team to get an advantage.
No doubt that the more you are able to exploit that will come a confidence in what you are doing. The good players will be able to do that. The great players can do that and also adjust when required.
McCaw got better at manipulating the refs as he went on. Fitzy too
Like players, refs evolve and try to get better at their craft too. They aren’t robots either and with the expansion of the game, we are getting younger less experienced refs out there in test matches.
They are watching video of game situations and being assessed on their performances too, so they will be influenced by not only what the laws are but by what they learn in certain situations. And a factor in that is what the players are doing and saying around them.
Now how that explains what happened at the death in the 3rd Lions test in 2017, I do not know 😉
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@Bones said in Will Foster go?:
No way he will do the honourable thing. His selection of hookers and reasoning for it tells you everything you need to know about his thought process and respectability.
Married men have their vices when on the road I guess.
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@Damo said in Will Foster go?:
If we lose this week he'll be gone.
The smart move by the Boks will be to throw this game.
Get that on the billboards in downtown Jo’berg and outside Ellis Park
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@MN5 said in Will Foster go?:
@Bones said in Will Foster go?:
No way he will do the honourable thing. His selection of hookers and reasoning for it tells you everything you need to know about his thought process and respectability.
Married men have their vices when on the road I guess.
Spoken like a true divorced traveling salesman?
