Foster, Robertson etc
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@chimoaus said in Foster must go:
If Razor takes over who is available as his assistants? I just wouldnt want them taking the best of whats left as opposed to getting the team he wants. I feel O'Gara needs to be part of the setup with his experience with Razor and his recent success in France. Who do you think Razor would want?
Jason Ryan would be a lock in.
I would say he would love to get O'Gara back but I think he is pretty entrenched where is is.
Leon McDonald could be a chance they are good mates.
Andrew Goodman if he could get him back from Leinster.
Clayton McMillan another coach who gets on well with Razor.All would be in Razor's mind I think.
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@Chris said in Foster must go:
@chimoaus said in Foster must go:
If Razor takes over who is available as his assistants? I just wouldnt want them taking the best of whats left as opposed to getting the team he wants. I feel O'Gara needs to be part of the setup with his experience with Razor and his recent success in France. Who do you think Razor would want?
Jason Ryan would be a lock in.
I would say he would love to get O'Gara back but I think he is pretty entrenched where is is.
Leon McDonald could be a chance they are good mates.
Andrew Goodman if he could get him back from Leinster.
Clayton McMillan another coach who gets on well with Razor.All would be in Razor's mind I think.
So Fozzie to the Chiefs, Mooar to the Crusaders and Plumtree to the Blues, straight swap to keep them on the books?
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@chimoaus said in Foster must go:
@Chris said in Foster must go:
@chimoaus said in Foster must go:
If Razor takes over who is available as his assistants? I just wouldnt want them taking the best of whats left as opposed to getting the team he wants. I feel O'Gara needs to be part of the setup with his experience with Razor and his recent success in France. Who do you think Razor would want?
Jason Ryan would be a lock in.
I would say he would love to get O'Gara back but I think he is pretty entrenched where is is.
Leon McDonald could be a chance they are good mates.
Andrew Goodman if he could get him back from Leinster.
Clayton McMillan another coach who gets on well with Razor.All would be in Razor's mind I think.
So Fozzie to the Chiefs, Mooar to the Crusaders and Plumtree to the Blues, straight swap to keep them on the books?
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It isn't just Foster and just replacing Foster almost certainly won't fix things on it's own. We need far deeper analysis & change. When you have businesses performing as poorly as this team, you need to look at what has happened and why and identify the root causes of the problems and then fix them. That's up to NZR.
I'm not going to step back into my career, but one example: We have two All-Time Greats at 4 & 5 nearing the end of the road with no clear succession planning until last year when Foster blooded Lord and Vaii - it was all about hoping Pat T would come right or sticking a 6 in at lock. There's a 10+ year gap in age between those two pairs. Ditto Hooker with Coles & Taylor
That really isn't Foster's fault (and to give him credit, he's been very open to developing new players) but down to previous Head coaches and selections.
So who in NZR was responsible for spotting this, didn't notice, express concerns and help fix the lack of succession planning in key positions? Did they have a process in place to identify and action issues like this? If not then why?
Plenty of people other than the Coaching team need to take a good hard look at themselves, accept they have had a part in the problem and either fix it or bugger off and get someone else in to sort the problems out.
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An enterprising journo needs to get the good oil on what the players are thinking. Plainly, they are an unhappy crew. Foster pulling Cane 15 minutes before the final whistle in Wellington suggested he was trying to make his own captain the patsy for the tripe that was served up. Something is rotten in the state of
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@Donsteppa said in Foster must go:
If he is resigning or being sacked, it would be true to form that Foster and Robinson still make a meal out of that "process" too...
There's a process to sort shit out?
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@ploughboy said in Foster must go:
foster to stay to be joined by gatland and schmidt
That scenario would only work if Foster took up a "weekend at Bernie's" style role
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@taniwharugby said in Foster must go:
would seem ridiculous that his role wouldn't include KPIs around winning.
You would think so, but you'd be amazed at what's not included at top levels of management in failing organisations
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SENZ: FORMER ALL BLACK PLEADS IAN FOSTER TO DO āWHATāS BEST FOR THE TEAMā AND RESIGN
Former All Black Steve Devine has predicted Ian Foster will no longer be head coach by ā6:30pm tonight.ā
The national side lost their first series to Ireland in history on Saturday evening to cap off a disappointing year and a half of international rugby.
Under Fosterās leadership, the All Blacks have achieved just a 66.7 per cent win rate, which as the worst in the sideās professional history, has prompted many to call for his resignation.
Devine has weighed in on the situation and believes that if Foster wants to do whatās ābest for the teamā he should step down before Augustās Rugby Championship.
āWe have heard from the All Blacks for the last 30 years ā¦ itās not about an individual, itās about the player and itās about whatās best for the team,ā Devine said on SENZās The Rugby Run.
āSo right now, what is best for the team ā¦ and if Ian Foster asks himself that question, I canāt see him being coach by 6:30pm tonight.
āWhatās best for the team? Thatās the question that needs to be asked right now.ā
Devine has cited a lack of adaptability and enterprise as the main reasoning behind his call for Foster to resign, as the side has continued to make the same mistakes week after week.
With the Rugby World Cup just around the corner in 2023, the former national player believes it is best for the All Blacks to embark on a new direction without him at the helm.
āItās the same mistakes every week,ā Devine continued.
āWeāre not winning the kicking battle, weāre not attacking ā¦ weāre big strong rugby players that play Super Rugby, who like to run and throw the ball around yet we turn up in an All Blacks jumper and weāre standing flat on attack.
āWeāre not carrying and weāre looking around ā¦ itās just not gelling.
āTo me, Iāve had coaches that when itās been good, everything is easy and everything goes well and when weāve had coaches that havenāt been good, then thatās what we get.
āFrom where Iām looking, thatās what Iām seeing. Itās just not gelling at all.ā
Following the All Blacksā failure to front the media on Sunday morning, it seems decisions may be made around Fosterās future sooner rather than later
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@Donsteppa According to Steve, Fozz has 14 minutes to go
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@canefan said in Foster must go:
@Donsteppa According to Steve, Fozz has 14 minutes to go
Iām fucking counting down.
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@Kirwan said in Foster must go:
@canefan said in Foster must go:
@Donsteppa According to Steve, Fozz has 14 minutes to go
Iām fucking counting down.
It's getting close to pitchfork time
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What is damning
This run of result's isn't one year where a guy can make a case he can go away and fix it
2020 wasn't good
2021 finished badlyWe've come back at the start of 2022 with the same old rubbish. I think there is enough evidence there that no matter what Ian says, he can't fix it
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It's also really important that the people that made the decision to appoint Foster instead of another more highly credentialed coach be held accountable for that decision. More than just Foster needs to go.
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@mariner4life said in Foster must go:
I thinkthere is enough evidence there that no matter what Ian says, he can't fix ityou dont need "I think" in there, 4 losses form our last 5, and how many games in between the SA loss and the 1st Irish Loss in 2021, 3?, so 5 losses from our last 8 outings?
Take out Fiji, Tonga, USA and Italy in the past 24 months she is pretty bleak reading!
11 wins, 7 losses and a draw...57.9% win ratio
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@mariner4life said in Foster must go:
What is damning
This run of result's isn't one year where a guy can make a case he can go away and fix it
2020 wasn't good
2021 finished badlyWe've come back at the start of 2022 with the same old rubbish. I think there is enough evidence there that no matter what Ian says, he can't fix it
We've been trying to combat the rush defence since 2017, it is the entire NZR and Hansen jobs for the boys shit that is the problem. Add to NZR's awful work with our 'closest' partners (SR shit), and internal stakeholders (Silverlake shit) points to them all resigning by 630!
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@nzzp said in Foster must go:
Someone said there was an 0900 press conference this morning. Anyone got any sauce?
Also, continuing the theme, autocorrect press went to pies. Go Foster
I'm down with a pies conference. I'll even take one for the team.
