Springboks v All Blacks I
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@Higgins said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@No-Quarter I just watching through the game again and I think you are being a little tricky with the truth. For example in the 20-30 minute period Beaudie received the ball as 1st receiver at either set piece or phase play only 3 times. Plenty of other players getting it at first receiver.
Beaudie is either in the second line or out the back during that period also.
He did some good things but he made some poor errors last night even with good ball. This is not even about pushing Mo’unga or any other player, but Beaudie hasn’t looked in control for a while and it sucks because he’s been a great player to watch. Ever since he was a rookie he’s been a high risk high reward player, but he learned to do that with control and and patience. He hasn’t played with control for a while now.
Dare we say it - ever since he went to Japan.
He's never been a good 10. He's a brilliant fullback (the only really good thing he did today, he did when marking at the back). These days he doesn't even shine very much at Super level.
We won't get any better until he is gone. I know it is horrible for a guy that has such individual talent, but he's not an international 10.
Our backline has never run smoothly with him in charge. Oh, we sometimes have flashes of individual brilliance, but never one that functions as a unit.
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About the aerial battle, the Boks (and NH sides) all have similar tactics to get the ball back. Their players have set roles and have the same positions in each "contest". With the ABs not doing anything like this themselves, it is like taking candy from a child. The lack of cover behind the catcher was obvious last year (the Bridge debacle) and also fruitful for the Boks again last night. Coaching?.....
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17:40 - Marx puts his hands straight on the deck but gets a penalty. PSdT never releases the carrier, and rolls him on the deck. Despite some go forward (Savea, Ioane, ST) in the phases, we look too easy to pick off.
We had good ball and it goes to a static Ta'avao at 2nd receiver. Just way too easy.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@No-Quarter I just watching through the game again and I think you are being a little tricky with the truth. For example in the 20-30 minute period Beaudie received the ball as 1st receiver at either set piece or phase play only 3 times. Plenty of other players getting it at first receiver.
Beaudie is either in the second line or out the back during that period also.
He did some good things but he made some poor errors last night even with good ball. This is not even about pushing Mo’unga or any other player, but Beaudie hasn’t looked in control for a while and it sucks because he’s been a great player to watch. Ever since he was a rookie he’s been a high risk high reward player, but he learned to do that with control and and patience. He hasn’t played with control for a while now.
I did say "he has no idea what to do with it" when talking about Beauden. My comment was more general than this game, it's the way both players have been playing all season. Neither appear to have any idea what the gameplan so just revert to what works at SR level for them.
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@Tim said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
17:40 - Marx puts his hands straight on the deck but gets a penalty. PSdT never releases the carrier, and rolls him on the deck. Despite some go forward (Savea, Ioane, ST) in the phases, we look too easy to pick off.
We had good ball and it goes to a static Ta'avao at 2nd receiver. Just way too easy.
There were a number of no clear release, but I guess a good coach will expect these tactics and coach accordingly, we cannot rely on perfect referee performances every game. After Marx first one the leaders should recognise the ref is not going to penalise this behaviour and therefore start doing it ourselves and make extra sure the ball carrier is not isolated etc.
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@chimoaus and thats where Richie was soo good, he read the game and adapted to the ref so quickly, we have no one right now that seems adept at altering the game plan and playing to the ref....while we have no structure or systems, we seem pretty set in our ways about being busy doing almost nothing at times and not changing from that, until we are forced to and its too late
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So frustrating watching us get some go forward, then not have structure to take advantage. After a few phases it's the same flat and wide structure. Hard to judge players individually as they're often getting flat ball while static, and cleanout players don't have much of a platform. Still not getting much value from tight five on the clean.
Havilli absolutely bricked it and dropped a good opportunity at 32 mins in though.
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My thoughts. Embarrassing really. Frustrating. Painful. Hurtful.
Foster simply has to go. No ifs or buts.
We beat ourselves. The Springboks had a very simple game plan that was very predictable and yet after 100 years of history we still had no game plan to counter. Their plan was, put it high and wait for mistakes. They came. Get Marx over the ball and win the penalty. I don't think the scrum and lineouts were as dominant as expected although we did cough up a lot of early penalties.
To say we don't have the players is rubbish. Yes, we are embarrassingly horrible but sides aren't smashing is on the scoreboard. When we're on and the opposition not so much, we rack up points. But today we gifted SA two tries. Sure we weren't in the game but those two tries, if we were better in the air and not having to chase the game, the score difference is a whole lot different.
I honestly don't think this team will take a lot to turn around. First of all we need better coms in the air and we need protection around the caller. We need better cleaning out of the ruck and we need to take it up the guts a whole lot more. We also need a half back willing to snipe. It's too bloody easy. They know our 9s won't run.
It's time for RM to have a decent crack at 10. Maybe he and DH will gel. Maybe JB should be given a crack at 12. Maybe RTs needs a start. WJ needs to go to 15, CC at 11 and we need probably SR back at 15.
If SC is to stay captain and he needs to get in the refs ear instead of being a little bitch and he needs to rark up his forwards. They need to adapt on the pitch. Game plan ain't working, let's do this.
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@taniwharugby 100%. I just commented on this. "this is Fozzie's plan, we must see it out".
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@Canerbry said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
nOT ENOUGH cANTABS.
not enough good ones.
Fixed it for you.
Jordan and Havili weren't up to it. -
I like him as a player but I don't think BB has the kicking ability and pressure to start at 10, let alone marshalling the backline. He hasn't played well under Foster at any rate.
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First try I'm perplexed as to why wasn't there a look at the contest in the air. Looked like a knock on to me.
13th minute: Springbok clearing kick lands very close to the sideline and All Blacks attacking shape finds space, but Savea over runs so Cane can't pass to him. Next phase we shovel ball.
Springboks laying at the base of rucks. Gardner admonishes All Blacks for placing the ball into their bodies.
16th minute. Cane puts a cracking tackle on Marx forcing the ball free.
18th minute Marx wins a turnover reaching over PSDT who is off his feet holding the ball into the ruck. All Blacks making good grounds in that phase of play turning the ball back inside.
21st minute. Great turnover by Cane and Gardner penalises him.
26th minute: Beaudy does some Beaudy magic and All Blacks create an excellent opportunity undone by poor pass by Akira.
29th minute. Some great defence in the 22 and Ardie comes up with a turnover. Notable how often the All Blacks are looking to put pressure at the breakdown.
32nd minute: Another opportunity bombed as Havili snatches at a pass and knocks on. Subsequent scrum the "crouch" call for the scrum comes over three minutes after the whistle was blown for the knock on.
38th minute: Great scrum penalty.
39th minute: Smith no look pass on the inside to no one, which he'd know if he looked before passing. Subsequent clean up results in a turnover.
Notable how improved the maul defence was in the first half. Ryan showing his credentials early - Springboks got no gain from trying to maul.
Forwards are working hard. Back row are noticeable in workrate and impact.
Attacking shape looks predictable with the depth pass from the forward pod. Defence know who to target as there's no deception. The change to hitting inside runners made a big difference.
Biggest problem is accuracy.
