Foster, Robertson etc
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@mariner4life said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
I don't think Ian Foster is doing a good job as the head coach. But, i also believe our player development in NZ has stalled over the past few years. Maybe not helped by spending all the time playing ourselves, or the Aussies who have their own issues. The best players in the country are in the squad. But some of them are not good enough.
Other than Samisoni who are the tight forwards who have come through in the last 5 years for the ABs?
Other than Samisoni those that have come through don't exactly scream 'future world xv contender'. They are placeholders.
and ST doesn't get nearly enough game time.
That's the big issue.
I'm more hopeful for the next 5 years looking at the pipeline but there's going to continue to be a suffering in between.
It will be interesting to see if Jason Ryan can help some of these guys lift their performances in the meantime.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
But if Foster's the problem, then what do you do when the solution you put in place doesn't work?
Foster is a problem and Razor would be a better coach. I am not sure why you are doubting this. That isn't to say there aren't other problems, it is just he is the mostly easily identifiable one.
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
When you unpick the "Foster must go" argument and ask how many Tests you'd give a Foster-replacement to improve things (like the win percentage) before he too gets sacked, things get a bit more vague and/or complicated for some reason. Really can't think why if the quality of the coach is a key problem.
Fair enough. But ceteris paribus, we gotta go with the best coach we can find first to see if that has a major influence. As for testing that coach, we would want to see an improvement in coherency, playing style, and yes results.
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@Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
Well put. On current form Jordie is part of the problem. I would hope that it is not because he has a chip about being kept at 15.
I doubt it re chip. But there are other issues before Jordie. Including his brother at 1st. But Jordie doesn't perform like a champion week after week. Even at super rugby level. Although he mostly was last year but not this year.
Foster is hanging on but is likely the main issue now.
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@Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
I wonder if our attack would function better with multiple threats at first and second receiver and we need to go back to having two of BB/RM/DMac on for a period of the game to paint different pictures to the defending side and move the point of attack around.
LOL, lets get back to the dual playmaker system. That's worked a treat in the past. With DMac on different pictures will certainly be painted. Lovely images of sideways strokes across the canvas.
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@Frank said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
I wonder if our attack would function better with multiple threats at first and second receiver and we need to go back to having two of BB/RM/DMac on for a period of the game to paint different pictures to the defending side and move the point of attack around.
LOL, lets get back to the dual playmaker system. That's worked a treat in the past. With DMac on different pictures will certainly be painted. Lovely images of sideways strokes across the canvas.
right now i would take someone willing to take them on and create some fucking chaos rather than wide passes hoping to find some sort of mismatch.
DMac's best time in Black was that northern tour where he gave the defense kittens with his quick feet.
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@mariner4life said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Frank said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
I wonder if our attack would function better with multiple threats at first and second receiver and we need to go back to having two of BB/RM/DMac on for a period of the game to paint different pictures to the defending side and move the point of attack around.
LOL, lets get back to the dual playmaker system. That's worked a treat in the past. With DMac on different pictures will certainly be painted. Lovely images of sideways strokes across the canvas.
right now i would take someone willing to take them on and create some fucking chaos rather than wide passes hoping to find some sort of mismatch.
DMac's best time in Black was that northern tour where he gave the defense kittens with his quick feet.
DMac was great at 1st in the Chiefs Crusaders match (that the Chiefs won?). Hope he starts there this year to give another 1st option
Shame that Perofeta is stuck behind Barrett at the Blues. If he was say at the Canes there would be 4 options rather than just 2 this year
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@Winger said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@mariner4life said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Frank said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
I wonder if our attack would function better with multiple threats at first and second receiver and we need to go back to having two of BB/RM/DMac on for a period of the game to paint different pictures to the defending side and move the point of attack around.
LOL, lets get back to the dual playmaker system. That's worked a treat in the past. With DMac on different pictures will certainly be painted. Lovely images of sideways strokes across the canvas.
right now i would take someone willing to take them on and create some fucking chaos rather than wide passes hoping to find some sort of mismatch.
DMac's best time in Black was that northern tour where he gave the defense kittens with his quick feet.
DMac was great at 1st in the Chiefs Crusaders match (that the Chiefs won?). Hope he starts there this year to give another 1st option
Shame that Perofeta is stuck behind Barrett at the Blues. If he was say at the Canes there would be 4 options rather than just 2 this year
From an AB perspective BB at the Blues is becoming a slight pain in the arse. He is pushing Perofeta to 15 which limits Sullivan's game time. In saying that, if BB didn't go to the Blues we may not have seen the improvement we saw in Perofeta this year.
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@Frank said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
I wonder if our attack would function better with multiple threats at first and second receiver and we need to go back to having two of BB/RM/DMac on for a period of the game to paint different pictures to the defending side and move the point of attack around.
LOL, lets get back to the dual playmaker system. That's worked a treat in the past. With DMac on different pictures will certainly be painted. Lovely images of sideways strokes across the canvas.
Well here's a picture to hang on the wall
2018 vs France, Eden Park. Halftime - New Zealand 8, France 11, Fulltime - New Zealand 52, France 11
DMac on at 60 replacing JB with Ben from accounts moving back to fullback. Scored one, Created one and Ioane scored another to blow out the score.A really good example of what I like about the option is here
At 2:55 DMac and RM have just worked together on a long run to take the ball hot on attack then work together beautifully as playmakers to put Goodhue through a gap. Having a wing that can act as a distributor can be a powerful weapon.
When Rieko, Bender and Dmac were together working with either BB or RM it was as good as you got at times. Swap out Bender for Jordan and it could be the stuff.
Dual playmaker did work well, Really well. Just not with BB/RM who don't seem to gel.
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Perofeta was playing well at 1st the year Barrett first arrived. He was kept at first and Barrett was played at FB
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@Winger said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
Perofeta was playing well at 1st the year Barrett first arrived. He was kept at first and Barrett was played at FB
Otere Black was playing 10 that year after Beaudie arrived (2020 Super Rugby Aotearoa after the first Covid lockdown) not Perofeta.
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I’ll pit in here, but I didn’t know about this player forced review
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@KiwiMurph said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Winger said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
Perofeta was playing well at 1st the year Barrett first arrived. He was kept at first and Barrett was played at FB
Otere Black was playing 10 that year after Beaudie arrived (2020 Super Rugby Aotearoa after the first Covid lockdown) not Perofeta.
Ops. And thanks for the correction. I was in Thailand (couldn't get back) then and didn't follow rugby that closely
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When you don't have any discernible game plan or pattern of defense, it is nigh on impossible for the players like RI to play without the blunders they are making.
Put Havili into the Crusaders pattern and he goes great guns, put RI into the Blues patterns and he is the stand-out center in SR by a country mile. Ireland loses a player and the next cab off the rank steps in without a misstep. Remember the rotation policy of the Henry era?
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Every man and their dog climbing in the NZR Management now...
The things he doesn't mention but thar earlier story does is that it seems there is a big review already underway/done as part of the Silverlake due diligence. I have to wonder if that is playing a major role here. The management is maybe too aware of rocking boats until the cheque is signed. It's a poor strategy though and is having the opposite effect.
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@KiwiMurph said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@mariner4life said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
I don't think Ian Foster is doing a good job as the head coach. But, i also believe our player development in NZ has stalled over the past few years. Maybe not helped by spending all the time playing ourselves, or the Aussies who have their own issues. The best players in the country are in the squad. But some of them are not good enough.
Other than Samisoni who are the tight forwards who have come through in the last 5 years for the ABs?
Other than Samisoni those that have come through don't exactly scream 'future world xv contender'. They are placeholders.
and ST doesn't get nearly enough game time.
That's the big issue.
I'm more hopeful for the next 5 years looking at the pipeline but there's going to continue to be a suffering in between.
It will be interesting to see if Jason Ryan can help some of these guys lift their performances in the meantime.
Bower, I guess - but, I agree - the problems are more in the tight five than in the backs - and the tight five problems are compounded by imbalances in the loose forwards (some e.g. Barrett at 6 may be a reflection of the tight five weaknesses).
Some places in the tight five we don't really have the players to make significant improvement. Despite complaints about our locks, there's not anyone making a compelling case to start ahead of Whitelock, Retallick and Barrett right now.
Bower seems as good as anyone - and we'll learn more about de Groot and Ross in Moody's absence.
Hooker seems an obvious place for improvement and it will be interesting to see if Ryan makes an immediate shift to Sami T. starting. I hope so.
Tighthead prop - well, we're about to find out more about Ta'avao, Lomax and Newell. We may get a lesson we don't like, but at least we'll find out a bit more about test readiness. We certainly need to do better than what our tightheads produced vs Ireland.
Put together a stronger international tight five and many of the subsidiary problems will likely evaporate.
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@Chris-B said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
Put together a stronger international tight five and many of the subsidiary problems will likely evaporate
with a pattern that allows them to shine.
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@Chris-B said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
Put together a stronger international tight five and many of the subsidiary problems will likely evaporate.
And when you find a player stick with him!
I'm still scratching my head over the omission of Sami T from the third test. First test Taylor makes 5 tackles in the first 60 and Sami 16 in the last 20. Isn't that just what we are after?
Funny also how media commentators are making that exact same point yet I haven't seen/heard a single reporter ask Foster about that. We got a half arsed reply that the set piece was doing well with Taylor on and didn't that bite us in the arse.
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@Chris-B I still feel the lack of mobility of our props (running, cleaning, tackling) for the past few seasons has meant our aging locks have had an extra load, coupled with a loose trio that doesnt seem to compliment one another, starting hookers form on the decline, it is compounding the issues.
Therefore, IMO if our props up thier workload, it allows our locks a bit more freedom, I mean Brodie in the loose is a sight to behold.
As I and others have mentioned, their focus on scrummaging props in our lineup when the game sees maybe 1 scrum to 2 or 3 lineouts, we really need to find props who can hold thier side up, but get about and work!
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Moffett on Robinson
Moffett, who was NZR chief executive between 1996 and 2000, and held the same role with the Welsh union from 2002 to 2005, believes Robinson should leave his post, and found it deplorable that he was “swanning around in Birmingham” instead of fronting media in New Zealand.
This bit on Plumtree and Mooar is interesting. There reputation has been trashed the way its been handled. Both has good jobs before they took on the assistants jobs. Now they might find it hard to find future work
If I was them, I would be looking for a really good, top-notch employment lawyer, because their coaching careers have been trashed by the way in which they’ve been dealt with,” Moffett said. “They had a review six months ago which confirmed Foster and the coaches were right for the job, six months later things have got so bad that they’ve had to make a couple of sacrificial lambs. “And if they think that anybody in New Zealand thinks that Mooar and Plumtree were responsible for where the All Blacks are today, then these guys are kidding themselves. Nobody’s going to believe that. -
