Springboks v All Blacks I
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@Crucial yeah, AB's seem really impatient, both in their higher training and squad selection right down to in game decision making.....even plays/strategies/players that do ok...show promise...if they arent perfect they get put aside
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@Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Chris-B said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@TheMojoman Standing up to their physicality will be key.
I may be confused as to whether this happened in the Hansen or Foster era but we tried one test with an obvious plan to tackle the big boks low and bring them straight to ground.
I would be stoked if World Rugby actually incentivised this. Right now the risk is offloads, particularly off the ground. Professionalism has changed the mindset from 'take their legs out' to 'physically dominate the upper body and wrap to prevent offloads'. Done well, a low tackle is a thing of beauty.
If we see innovation in attack and defence we will be delighted, right?
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@Chris-B said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@TheMojoman Standing up to their physicality will be key.
But, if we can do that I'm optimistic we can win at least one. It's only 12 months ago we on the fern were pretty confident of dispatching them - and they'd been beaten by the Aussies.
I don't think we need to be too much doom and gloom - the Boks have their own problems.
Is that optimistic? To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if the boks wheel out all their older slower players..let NZ have the win.. who really wins if it makes Foster look good and keeps him for the RWC?
I don't believe any of the new coaching changes will have any time to make any real impression, so if we do win its more down to luck and as usual some individual skill from somewhere.
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@nzzp said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
changed the mindset from 'take their legs out' to 'physically dominate the upper body and wrap to prevent offloads'
and what is the other issue that has caused...
If they remove the ability to pass off the ground fullstop, it would hoppefully help lower the target, as it is, a ribs/chest high tackle can slip up, or opponent slips, dips and you collect thier head...
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@FakatavaAllBlack shows TAB have no idea either...
I mean if they pushed the odds upto $3 or higher as they maybe should be, loads of the loyal followers will load up, but if they make SA too high, those hedgers will load up....
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@FakatavaAllBlack said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
All blacks are $2 head to head at the Tab😲
... but the Bokke are $1.87. Easy money?
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@nzzp said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Chris-B said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@TheMojoman Standing up to their physicality will be key.
I may be confused as to whether this happened in the Hansen or Foster era but we tried one test with an obvious plan to tackle the big boks low and bring them straight to ground.
I would be stoked if World Rugby actually incentivised this. Right now the risk is offloads, particularly off the ground. Professionalism has changed the mindset from 'take their legs out' to 'physically dominate the upper body and wrap to prevent offloads'. Done well, a low tackle is a thing of beauty.
If we see innovation in attack and defence we will be delighted, right?
Yes. England (Underwood) did that to us at the RWC. His tackling was ruthless and efficient.
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@bayimports I don't think the boks like losing to the ABs at home even for a strategic "dry powder" RWC. They'll be like us, smash the buggers!
Speaking of "dry powder" - it doesn't last years, does it? Or is it like a Foster "direction"? -
@pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
They won't be able to emulate Irish structures, and we know how to play them.
- Really? The Irish gameplan was there for all to see. So was our unravelling. I doubt other sides looked at these games and thought "These ABs are mysterious, shape-shifting, ninja-like buggers! What the hell is their weakness?"
- We thought we knew how to play the Irish. The buggers changed their tactics! Outrageous!
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@nostrildamus the Irish is our URC rivals and 80% Leinster. The Bulls beat them at home in the semi final and the Stormers knocked out Ulster. RasNaber coached Munster. To beat them you need to dominate their packs (lineout/scrum). No rocket science really.
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@OomPB said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@nostrildamus the Irish is our URC rivals and 80% Leinster. The Bulls beat them at home in the semi final and the Stormers knocked out Ulster. RasNaber coached Munster. To beat them you need to dominate their packs (lineout/scrum). No rocket science really.
Well we only had scrum ascendency test 1 and our lineout went to custard.
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@nzzp said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Chris-B said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@TheMojoman Standing up to their physicality will be key.
I may be confused as to whether this happened in the Hansen or Foster era but we tried one test with an obvious plan to tackle the big boks low and bring them straight to ground.
I would be stoked if World Rugby actually incentivised this. Right now the risk is offloads, particularly off the ground. Professionalism has changed the mindset from 'take their legs out' to 'physically dominate the upper body and wrap to prevent offloads'. Done well, a low tackle is a thing of beauty.
If we see innovation in attack and defence we will be delighted, right?
They don't need to / already are
If it's successful, then more teams will start doing it
Tackling anywhere near the chest and getting it wrong is almost certainly a penalty, often a YC, sometimes a RC
The smart teams will work this out
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@MiketheSnow said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@nzzp said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Chris-B said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@TheMojoman Standing up to their physicality will be key.
I may be confused as to whether this happened in the Hansen or Foster era but we tried one test with an obvious plan to tackle the big boks low and bring them straight to ground.
I would be stoked if World Rugby actually incentivised this. Right now the risk is offloads, particularly off the ground. Professionalism has changed the mindset from 'take their legs out' to 'physically dominate the upper body and wrap to prevent offloads'. Done well, a low tackle is a thing of beauty.
If we see innovation in attack and defence we will be delighted, right?
They don't need to / already are
If it's successful, then more teams will start doing it
Tackling anywhere near the chest and getting it wrong is almost certainly a penalty, often a YC, sometimes a RC
The smart teams will work this out
Thing is, that tackling high is usually an advantage for the defending side, and rarely penalised. You see so many people tackling to the chest, and very few penalties/cards given. So right now I don't think it is incentivised.
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@nzzp said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@FakatavaAllBlack said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
All blacks are $2 head to head at the Tab😲
... but the Bokke are $1.87. Easy money?
I would love to see a graph of what the AB's have been paying from the TAB, have we ever been over $2?
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We have enough talent to put SA away, without a doubt. I've made it pretty clear on here that I don't particularly rate Foster, but I'm really hoping the changes to the coaching group can bring enough fresh ideas into the camp that things start clicking for this team. We're not that far away, we are just trying to do too much in the first half and putting ourselves under too much pressure.
Really looking forward to these 2 matches.
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@No-Quarter said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
We have enough talent to put SA away, without a doubt. I've made it pretty clear on here that I don't particularly rate Foster, but I'm really hoping the changes to the coaching group can bring enough fresh ideas into the camp that things start clicking for this team. We're not that far away, we are just trying to do too much in the first half and putting ourselves under too much pressure.
Really looking forward to these 2 matches.
Anything resembling a back line move off first phase would be welcome.
