Springboks v All Blacks I
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@pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
At the risk of upsetting the approved Fern narrative, I'll be very surprised if ABs don't win at least one of Bok tests.
They won't be able to emulate Irish structures, and we know how to play them.
IMO the best the AB’s can hope for is to split the series. I can’t see them winning both against Boks at home. The Boks have a settled squad barring Kolbe’s injury and playing at home. It’s all in their favour plus their rush defence & ultra physicality troubled the AB’s in both tests last year.
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@TheMojoman Standing up to their physicality will be key.
But, if we can do that I'm optimistic we can win at least one. It's only 12 months ago we on the fern were pretty confident of dispatching them - and they'd been beaten by the Aussies.
I don't think we need to be too much doom and gloom - the Boks have their own problems.
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@Chris-B said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@TheMojoman Standing up to their physicality will be key.
I may be confused as to whether this happened in the Hansen or Foster era but we tried one test with an obvious plan to tackle the big boks low and bring them straight to ground. It seemed to work really well and threw their close in recycling out as the support clearing player was expecting to latch and drive. Strangely we shelved it and I thought that was to put the idea aside to bring out again when needed.
It stopped quite a bit of momentum and had them having to adjust.
Basically trying to take these guys on around the chest in effective and tiring. -
@Crucial yeah, AB's seem really impatient, both in their higher training and squad selection right down to in game decision making.....even plays/strategies/players that do ok...show promise...if they arent perfect they get put aside
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@Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Chris-B said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@TheMojoman Standing up to their physicality will be key.
I may be confused as to whether this happened in the Hansen or Foster era but we tried one test with an obvious plan to tackle the big boks low and bring them straight to ground.
I would be stoked if World Rugby actually incentivised this. Right now the risk is offloads, particularly off the ground. Professionalism has changed the mindset from 'take their legs out' to 'physically dominate the upper body and wrap to prevent offloads'. Done well, a low tackle is a thing of beauty.
If we see innovation in attack and defence we will be delighted, right?
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@Chris-B said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@TheMojoman Standing up to their physicality will be key.
But, if we can do that I'm optimistic we can win at least one. It's only 12 months ago we on the fern were pretty confident of dispatching them - and they'd been beaten by the Aussies.
I don't think we need to be too much doom and gloom - the Boks have their own problems.
Is that optimistic? To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if the boks wheel out all their older slower players..let NZ have the win.. who really wins if it makes Foster look good and keeps him for the RWC?
I don't believe any of the new coaching changes will have any time to make any real impression, so if we do win its more down to luck and as usual some individual skill from somewhere.
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@nzzp said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
changed the mindset from 'take their legs out' to 'physically dominate the upper body and wrap to prevent offloads'
and what is the other issue that has caused...
If they remove the ability to pass off the ground fullstop, it would hoppefully help lower the target, as it is, a ribs/chest high tackle can slip up, or opponent slips, dips and you collect thier head...
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@FakatavaAllBlack shows TAB have no idea either...
I mean if they pushed the odds upto $3 or higher as they maybe should be, loads of the loyal followers will load up, but if they make SA too high, those hedgers will load up....
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@FakatavaAllBlack said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
All blacks are $2 head to head at the Tab😲
... but the Bokke are $1.87. Easy money?
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@nzzp said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Chris-B said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@TheMojoman Standing up to their physicality will be key.
I may be confused as to whether this happened in the Hansen or Foster era but we tried one test with an obvious plan to tackle the big boks low and bring them straight to ground.
I would be stoked if World Rugby actually incentivised this. Right now the risk is offloads, particularly off the ground. Professionalism has changed the mindset from 'take their legs out' to 'physically dominate the upper body and wrap to prevent offloads'. Done well, a low tackle is a thing of beauty.
If we see innovation in attack and defence we will be delighted, right?
Yes. England (Underwood) did that to us at the RWC. His tackling was ruthless and efficient.
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@bayimports I don't think the boks like losing to the ABs at home even for a strategic "dry powder" RWC. They'll be like us, smash the buggers!
Speaking of "dry powder" - it doesn't last years, does it? Or is it like a Foster "direction"? -
@pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
They won't be able to emulate Irish structures, and we know how to play them.
- Really? The Irish gameplan was there for all to see. So was our unravelling. I doubt other sides looked at these games and thought "These ABs are mysterious, shape-shifting, ninja-like buggers! What the hell is their weakness?"
- We thought we knew how to play the Irish. The buggers changed their tactics! Outrageous!
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@BartMan win/win for Boers.
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@nostrildamus the Irish is our URC rivals and 80% Leinster. The Bulls beat them at home in the semi final and the Stormers knocked out Ulster. RasNaber coached Munster. To beat them you need to dominate their packs (lineout/scrum). No rocket science really.
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@OomPB said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@nostrildamus the Irish is our URC rivals and 80% Leinster. The Bulls beat them at home in the semi final and the Stormers knocked out Ulster. RasNaber coached Munster. To beat them you need to dominate their packs (lineout/scrum). No rocket science really.
Well we only had scrum ascendency test 1 and our lineout went to custard.
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@nzzp said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Chris-B said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@TheMojoman Standing up to their physicality will be key.
I may be confused as to whether this happened in the Hansen or Foster era but we tried one test with an obvious plan to tackle the big boks low and bring them straight to ground.
I would be stoked if World Rugby actually incentivised this. Right now the risk is offloads, particularly off the ground. Professionalism has changed the mindset from 'take their legs out' to 'physically dominate the upper body and wrap to prevent offloads'. Done well, a low tackle is a thing of beauty.
If we see innovation in attack and defence we will be delighted, right?
They don't need to / already are
If it's successful, then more teams will start doing it
Tackling anywhere near the chest and getting it wrong is almost certainly a penalty, often a YC, sometimes a RC
The smart teams will work this out
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@MiketheSnow said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@nzzp said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Chris-B said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@TheMojoman Standing up to their physicality will be key.
I may be confused as to whether this happened in the Hansen or Foster era but we tried one test with an obvious plan to tackle the big boks low and bring them straight to ground.
I would be stoked if World Rugby actually incentivised this. Right now the risk is offloads, particularly off the ground. Professionalism has changed the mindset from 'take their legs out' to 'physically dominate the upper body and wrap to prevent offloads'. Done well, a low tackle is a thing of beauty.
If we see innovation in attack and defence we will be delighted, right?
They don't need to / already are
If it's successful, then more teams will start doing it
Tackling anywhere near the chest and getting it wrong is almost certainly a penalty, often a YC, sometimes a RC
The smart teams will work this out
Thing is, that tackling high is usually an advantage for the defending side, and rarely penalised. You see so many people tackling to the chest, and very few penalties/cards given. So right now I don't think it is incentivised.
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@nzzp said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@FakatavaAllBlack said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
All blacks are $2 head to head at the Tab😲
... but the Bokke are $1.87. Easy money?
I would love to see a graph of what the AB's have been paying from the TAB, have we ever been over $2?
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