Poll All Black Captain
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@antipodean added poll. the third option gets tough. Taylor was my clown option.
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To be captain, you need to be a starter and not in danger of being dropped in the next 12 months.
As of last test: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 need not apply. The only guy who should be a nailed-on starter in the forwards is the hooker they dropped for the deciding test FFS.
I can't see Aaron Smith or Will Jordan getting dropped, but neither appeal as captains.
Whitelock is the only real interim solution, but you then get into trouble if he ends up being 3rd choice behind Retallick and Barrett. -
@reprobate this is the problem. No clear standouts beyond Whitelock. Future Captains no obvious potentials at this stage.
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@FakatavaAllBlack said in Vote All Black Captain:
@The-Docter I'm too young to really remember Taine Randell, although I do know he's an Otago & Landers legend so if I ever met him I would shout that man a drink🍻
Taine Randall - a fine No 8 who could play at 7 and 6. He was strong and able and fierce with a good future ahead of him and your selectors fixed that - it was a time of great change in your senior personnel, so they appointed a young bloke who had just arrived as captain and left him to work it out for himself ... at 21 or 22! It was one of the most myopic decisions I can recall from the wise men of rugby, shameful really, and Randell was the only one who paid a price.
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@Mick-Gold-Coast-QLD well said
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Paps
Wales did it with Warburton
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@MiketheSnow McCaw is the only young captain I can think of who reached the highest echelon. Even then, he needed to fail to succeed. Rare exception though.
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@The-Docter said in Vote All Black Captain:
@MiketheSnow McCaw is the only young captain I can think of who reached the highest echelon. Even then, he needed to fail to succeed. Rare exception though.
NZ one I think you meant to write
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Savea or Scott Barrett
Hear me out on Barrett, I look at someone like Victor Matfield who played on the edge and if he had played the way he did in the last couple of years would’ve seen a few cards. I think Barrett is going to be a starter over the next few years.
Him and Ardie are only a month apart in age.
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@gt12 said in Vote All Black Captain:
@MiketheSnow said in Vote All Black Captain:
Paps
Wales did it with Warburton
After the world cup
NZ are ahead of the curve most of the time
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@MiketheSnow said in Vote All Black Captain:
@gt12 said in Vote All Black Captain:
@MiketheSnow said in Vote All Black Captain:
Paps
Wales did it with Warburton
After the world cup
NZ are ahead of the curve most of the time
Whitelock until then, or Cane.
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"atlternative"
I don't think this person is a real doctor...
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Whitelock is a fine cap but the risk that we have to change again soon is big. We also need to get our understudy locks time on the field and Whitelock as cap upsets that.
Dalton P hasn’t even earned his place in the side and has appeared like he’s still finding his feet. Let him get some time to get settled.
There is no one else except Ardie. It doesn’t help the loose forward situation unless he starts at 7 and moves to 8 later in the game though.
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@Crucial said in Vote All Black Captain:
Whitelock is a fine cap but the risk that we have to change again soon is big. We also need to get our understudy locks time on the field and Whitelock as cap upsets that.
Dalton P hasn’t even earned his place in the side and has appeared like he’s still finding his feet. Let him get some time to get settled.
There is no one else except Ardie. It doesn’t help the loose forward situation unless he starts at 7 and moves to 8 later in the game though.
It will be Ardie.Against what opposition does Whitelock not start? He's starting and probably playing 80 IMO.
And it's especially easy to give other locks gametime when Retallick (and possibly Barrett) are unavailable.
Ardie's not captaincy material fullstop. And neither is Scott Barrett. Listening to either of them is painful. Whitelock is by far the most coherent and referee dialogue etc is important.
