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  • ACT CrusaderA Offline
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    @Old-Samurai-Jack some individuals played okay and there was a short period where we seemed in sync. For me the biggest problem is that lack of combination and trust within the group. Are they playing for each other? Do they know what the guy next to them is going to do and adjust or react accordingly?

    Rugby is the ultimate team sport in my opinion and yet we aren’t playing like a team. That’s coaching and man management.

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    @ACT-Crusader My thoughts too. There doesn’t appear to be any sense they are playing for each other, but alongside each other. They’re passive and tentative. There is no cohesion or sense of a shared mission. It’s poor coaching and leadership

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    Watching the Aus game and every time I see Dave Rennie I die a little inside. How the fůck could that happen?

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    @Rancid-Schnitzel Although not sure Aus is doing too much better

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    @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

    @Old-Samurai-Jack some individuals played okay and there was a short period where we seemed in sync. For me the biggest problem is that lack of combination and trust within the group. Are they playing for each other? Do they know what the guy next to them is going to do and adjust or react accordingly?

    Rugby is the ultimate team sport in my opinion and yet we aren’t playing like a team. That’s coaching and man management.

    Read said they looked like a team who hadn't spent enough time together. He looked almost apologetic when he said it. Sounds like a diplomatic indictment to me

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    @Jailbreak7 said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

    @Rancid-Schnitzel Although not sure Aus is doing too much better

    Don't speak too soon!

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    @Halfout any opinion on the non red cards for Aki and Porter?

    Ireland are clearly better coached and full value for the win.

    But I can help but feel refereeing turned the last two tests in a huge way.

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    @Steve Nah, poor reffing in the 2nd, good reffing in the 3rd.

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    @MrDenmore said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

    @ACT-Crusader My thoughts too. There doesn’t appear to be any sense they are playing for each other, but alongside each other. They’re passive and tentative. There is no cohesion or sense of a shared mission. It’s poor coaching and leadership

    Bang on, was at the match tonight, and that was really obvious. Complete lack of confidence and a sameness about every laboured play. Guys were consistently running onto or with the ball at half or 3/4 pace.

    In stark contrast the Irish side knew exactly what they needed to do in every situation. They were fast and precise. Like our team used to be.

    I went away disappointed but also feeling the right coaching panel can make a big impact really quickly.

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    @Duluth

    Do you think that they thought they'd show up tonight and win?

    I listened to that and all I heard was that the ABs are starting to sound like the Canes - we'll learn from this and be better next week.

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    “A New Zealand Rugby media manager stepped in when Foster was asked if he even wanted to remain All Blacks coach”

    Can the guy be allowed to answer the tough but obvious Qs??

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    @Steve said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

    @Halfout any opinion on the non red cards for Aki and Porter?

    Ireland are clearly better coached and full value for the win.

    But I can help but feel refereeing turned the last two tests in a huge way.

    My view of those is the same as my view of Ta’avu’s red. I didn’t think he should have got a red, and I don’t think Aki or Porter should have got red. The incidents are being refereed on the basis of slow motion and multiple replays whereas they’re happening in split seconds.

    On a more controversial note I believe LF should have got a straight red. He was stupidly reckless and completely out of control, and I think Barnes would have walked him, but Peyper is a poor ref who painted himself into a corner with the LF decision and then had to send Ta’avu off. I believe the action rather than outcome should be the deciding factor.

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    @Duluth said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

    Sounded like he'd already been on the beers.
    And... some bullshit attempt at replicating the "pain" that he knew had gone down well in the past (Aaron Smith a year or two back?)... but couldn't help throwing in the corporate "yeah, we'll just do better".
    I like Ardie, but... yeah, nah.

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    Keep foster and his coaching team, the cost to NZ rugby will be far greater than a few severance cheques.

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    @Halfout Yeah fair enough.

    I didn't think any of Angus, LF, Porter or Aki was a red but just laughed when Barnes downgraded it to a yellow. How can they do it with a straight face after the week before. Not once on any forum, in any media, tv, online or otherwise did I hear the word "absorption tackle" in the lead up to this week. But hey ho, out comes the phrase when its Porters turn for a red. Cipriani got a red for the something similar in the Heineken cup.

    As an aside I thought Ofa was a penalty try the week before. I think the refs are getting big stuff wrong too often.

    Edited just to add.....Barnes actually says to TMO while talking to him "there is no mitigation". So that in itself is indicative of the fact that it couldn't be downgraded from red to yellow. Yet he still did it anyway. Bizarre.

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    AB’s just seem to have no imagination in attack and seem to rely on individual skill set rather than well constructed attack. They seemed desperate at times and then skill set let them down with mistakes.

    Ireland on the other hand were fantastic with ball in hand, just methodical either off first phase but especially off later phases. It’s actually beautiful rugby to watch.

    I am just perplexed that with everything at stake the AB’s turn up and produce such a lame first half. Previously they would turn the heat up and blow teams away. Wallabies in 2019 at Eden Park is a good example.

    So where to from here? Unless he falls on his sword Foster isn’t going anywhere for now. If the AB’s loses the Bled I think his position becomes untenable.

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    @TheMojoman said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

    AB’s just seem to have no imagination in attack and seem to rely on individual skill set rather than well constructed attack. They seemed desperate at times and then skill set let them down with mistakes.

    Ireland on the other hand were fantastic with ball in hand, just methodical either off first phase but especially off later phases. It’s actually beautiful rugby to watch.

    I am just perplexed that with everything at stake the AB’s turn up and produce such a lame first half. Previously they would turn the heat up and blow teams away. Wallabies in 2019 at Eden Park is a good example.

    So where to from here? Unless he falls on his sword Foster isn’t going anywhere for now. If the AB’s loses the Bled I think his position becomes untenable.

    It is untenable now. He just lost a series at home. To a very good team, yes. But a team at the END of their season. NZ haven't got better under him. Why wait when everyone can see that it just isn't working? Give the new coach the next year and write off the world cup. It is not like the world cup isn't already written off, is it?

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    Do they give out participation certificates?

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