All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
2020/2021/2022 Pfff.... I am numb. So we badly lost to Ireland in NZ. We lost to an underdone Argentinian side in Aussie. You accepted that. I give you guys a couple of days before this is swept under the carpet.
The carpet is getting a bit lumpy under there, but I was under no illusion that post 2019 RWC we were in for a roller coaster. It’s never great to see your team lose and lose pretty badly like we did tonight, but this is where we are at and from week to week we are going to see these fluctuations in performance. There’s a host of factors, I guess it comes down to whether we need a circuit breaker (or several) right now.
You are pretty much right. But if we accept fluctuations we have to look at the trajectory - and it ain't up. For me, we're just bumping along in a seemingly incoherent way
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Put that down to LF completely lost on defence
Knock on for scrum before was bogus. SB knew TMO could see that, but somehow the 11 screens didn't have the right angle?
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@junior said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Ofa is cooked but we can’t replace him
Ofa doing a great impression of Lauaki in 2008 tonight
His offside was purely technical as nowhere near the ball.
AS OPPOSED to forward who out hands on ball in ruck but deemed OK because they comply when ref calls for hands off.
Arguably ought still to be 10-7...
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@Victor-Meldrew The diagram on the right is a better illustration of what’s going on in Foster’s head and the lack of direction in the all blacks.
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@broughie said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Victor-Meldrew The diagram on the right is a better illustration of what’s going on in Foster’s head and the lack of direction in the all blacks.
Maybe. I imagine inside his head is a diagram with lots of black lines staying in their own half.
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Been saying for a while and Its become pretty obvious that the ABs pack over the last 4 years have an issue with consistently producing quality performance week after week.
It’s only when they have been embarrassed that the produce a performance. Then settle back to mediocre standards.
What’s not clear is the reason why, but everyone one involved must accept responsibility. Maybe it really is just a case that we aren’t very good.
It’s pretty uncomfortable viewing seeing how well drilled this Ireland team is compared to the ABs. Huge gulf in how they are prepared in my view.
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@DaGrubster their running lines are so much more direct, at pace and at different angles. We are boring in comparison and bereft of ideas.
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Yup, it’s light years from what we are producing.
It’s impressive to watch and they are a truly modern rugby side. On the other hand the AB’s are still playing yesterdays game.
It struck me that watching the game today, it was a bit like watching klopp’s Liverpool run rings around Ole’s Man U.
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
It’s only when they have been embarrassed that the produce a performance. Then settle back to mediocre standards.
In which case it can't be just the tactics, quality of players or skill levels - it seems to indicate a head-space or culture thing and/or performing under pressure.
Maybe Foster is acutely aware of this but just isn't able to change it. A big clear-out sometimes works but a bit tricky this side of the RWC and we don't have the depth of cattle instantly available. Dumping Foster isn't the answer on it's own either.
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@pakman said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@mikedogz said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
I learnt today that the TMO has an assistant TMO and they have 11 screens to look at. Club ref today said he got to sit in room.
Who monitors the performance of TMO, and what plays he chooses to highlight? This is becoming a game changing issue.
Foster references TMO telling ref of penalty in first lineout, not given, which led to first try. For instance.
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As an Allblacks supporter this is a mind fuck ,
I’ve been wanting to support this current coaching set up , just because I want the Allblacks to succeed not because I like or dislike any of them,
But I’m convinced now we need a reset from the top, and the only way that happens if we lose more games and I can’t bring myself to hope we lose .
If we win next week and we keep the bledisloe, foster survives imo even if the rugby is still shit . And we will meander down the same path towards the World Cup .
But can you imagine the backlash if we lose next week and then we fuck up the bledisloe? Nz will go into meltdown.
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Yes I agree, the holy grail of any professional - sport or otherwise is to consistently produce high quality work.
This was happening under Hansen, a couple of losses then were followed by very good performances.
NZR is not an elite high performance organisation which is being mirrored across most of their brands - ABs, black ferns, mens 7’s.
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@Victor-Meldrew Mostly disagree noting your disclaimer that he is not the only problem. Dumping him would be the smart thing to do though. We know he does not have the goods and the World Cup is pretty much a goner under his leadership. So what’s the purpose of holding on to him and the rest of the crew? Better to blood someone new with fresh eyes and see what can be done to salvage this mess.
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@kiwiinmelb yeah but what if we fluke a world cup...
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@kiwiinmelb yeah but what if we fluke a world cup...
That changes everything and it is still possible because we can still beat anyone on our day ,
but does anyone believe we are travelling down the best possible path to achieve that ?
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@kiwiinmelb yeah but what if we fluke a world cup...
Can't see that happening, you can't get lucky 7? games in a row vs quality sides. Wales just beat SA, so in reality this WC will be the most competitive. I hate to say it but Ireland, Wales, France, England and SA are all capable of beating us at the moment. For us to win the WC we need more than luck.
Hell even Aus and Argentina based in last night's performance could be an issue.
