All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test
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Where's Razor.
Some big calls need to be made. Don't leave it until next year
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@pukunui said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@gt12 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@pukunui said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@MiketheSnow First event (green): Ofa's yellow card. Second event (orange): Angus' red card. Both TH props. Thought they needed uncontested scrums because they forgot Bower could have been moved to TH. Because they went for uncontested scrums, they needed to lose another player (they chose Ardie). So off were Ofa, Angus and Ardie = 12 players.
Did Ross come on when Ardie went off?
Yes
So it was a fuck up by the officials to allow Ross on according to that table. Should have just been Ardie (or whoever) off and ABs down to 12 until the yellow ended.
But also a big fuck up by the AB management trying to do a pointless swap of Ross and Ardie which still lead to uncontested scrums and Ardie missing the rest of the game.Quoting myself
Found this that explains it all a bit better.
linkSummary:
Ross on, Ardie off because they had a front rower, even if he couldn’t play that side. Therefore uncontested.Refs messed up by not taking an extra AB off until ofa came back and again by not letting Ardie back on. Dalton should have been the one to stay off because he was replaced by Angus.
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@African-Monkey good summary, I agree. But we have to nurse Whitelock to the RWC as he has had a lot of miles but we can't lose that canny experience.
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All set up for a thriller next week now. Well done Ireland.
Hope Sotutu is on bench and Jordan and Samisoni starting. Paps off his game so maybe try Akira too. PGS and LF don't seem skilled enough for pressure tests to me.
Will we see a new tight head in squad next week? Ofa was not good tonite.
Biggest issue in my view is our ineffective kicking and weak chasing.
Could not follow Savea going off when LF was the obvious casualty.
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Foster now has the worst win % of any All Blacks coach since 1980, including losing to Argentina once and Ireland twice.
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@TheMojoman said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
We’ll that was a strange game, hard to get any flow with the cards and with the Irish playing so well.
I’m going to buck the trend here and say it’s far too early to panic. This AB team thrashed this same Irish team a week ago. You don’t go from being an excellent team to a poor one in one week.
I think the scoreline last week flattered us.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@TheMojoman said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
We’ll that was a strange game, hard to get any flow with the cards and with the Irish playing so well.
I’m going to buck the trend here and say it’s far too early to panic. This AB team thrashed this same Irish team a week ago. You don’t go from being an excellent team to a poor one in one week.
I think the scoreline last week flattered us.
Hugely. We got rolled when Ireland got ball
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@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Foster now has the worst win % of any All Blacks coach since 1980, including losing to Argentina once and Ireland twice.
i honestly don't know why they selected him. How could he have been the best candidate with his record? And his record isn't that much better now.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Foster now has the worst win % of any All Blacks coach since 1980, including losing to Argentina once and Ireland twice.
i honestly don't know why they selected him. How could he have been the best candidate with his record? And his record isn't that much better now.
And he has a fair lump of wins vs a depleted Wallabies minus their overseas stalwarts (Kerevi, Cooper, etc..) Tonga, Fiji, Italy, USA and Wales C in those 16 wins.
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@kiwi_expat worst than Wayne Smith’s?
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Hugely looking forward to some weekenders from London next year to watch the WC in France
Only problem is the ABs. Yikes.
The tanker is on the wrong course.
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I'm still so angry how hugely our forward pack got rolled tonight.
Even before the cards that some will use as excuses for their favourites
A Savea was shown for his complete lack of physicality
DP was completely invisible.
Scott Barrett missed two assignments that led to points
The front row who weren't Bower sucked (Bower was really good and I'm becoming a huge fan)
Yes Ofa fucked everything but it was shit. The lineout was predictable. The scrum was scratchy
PGS is not good enough to be a test player and it's a disgrace he gets a jersey.
We need new leadership
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@nostrildamus
Simple, jobs for the boys. Foster was in the environment for many years. Razor and other successful coaches were outsiders.Professionalism is a business, once their pockets hurt they will reconsider. Results are revenue first, which has a loose relationship with winning on the field (unless fans or sponsors decide to take action).
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@mariner4life here I am still waiting for you to tee off 😉
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@stodders said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Are NZ playing Wales and Scotland in Nov? May as well knock those unbeaten records out whilst Foster is at the helm.
We’ve beaten you
Last century
I meant long unbeaten streak. Apologies Mike.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@mariner4life here I am still waiting for you to tee off 😉
I'm too drunk to tap it out on the phone!
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
I'm still so angry how hugely our forward pack got rolled tonight.
Even before the cards that some will use as excuses for their favourites
A Savea was shown for his complete lack of physicality
DP was completely invisible.
Scott Barrett missed two assignments that led to points
The front row who weren't Bower sucked (Bower was really good and I'm becoming a huge fan)
Yes Ofa fucked everything but it was shit. The lineout was predictable. The scrum was scratchy
PGS is not good enough to be a test player and it's a disgrace he gets a jersey.
We need new leadership
All of these points are far too reasonable.
Go have a few more beers and come back when you have your Perth game ready.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Foster now has the worst win % of any All Blacks coach since 1980, including losing to Argentina once and Ireland twice.
i honestly don't know why they selected him. How could he have been the best candidate with his record? And his record isn't that much better now.
And he's fat.
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Regardless of any other sh*te, we have consistently struggled to get enough ball from the forwards after Richie departed.
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2020/2021/2022 Pfff.... I am numb. So we badly lost to Ireland in NZ. We lost to an underdone Argentinian side in Aussie. You accepted that. I give you guys a couple of days before this is swept under the carpet.
