Australia v England - 1st Test
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@MN5 I know of at least one other with the name that losely translates to Chris Smith. I saw a guy by the name of Kalisi Samiti playing for Toloa Old Boys against Havelu Bulldogs when I was up there in Tonga round about 2003. Was going from town to the village where I was staying and saw a game about to start and just had to stop and watch as you do. Interesting to note that Ellis Meechan was also there watching as part of something he was doing for the IRB.
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@mariner4life said in Australia v England - 1st Test:
@Stargazer that ruling makes an absolute mockery of the whole entry point system.
6 weeks!
But you seem sorry so 3 weeks
Aaawww, you little rascal, boys will be boys, 2 weeks!!No one gets 6. Get rid of the 6 as an "entry point"
I'm livid.
Fucking joke
Sends no message.
Biting, butting, booting, gouging, pulling hair, grabbing testicles - regardless of provocation - say goodbye to your season.
No ifs, buts, or fucking good disciplinary records & remorse.
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I actually agree with the decision in Swain's case. That was the softest head butt to get red-carded I've ever seen. It was stupid to respond to a provocation like that, no doubt, but it's ridiculous that he gets suspended while the grub who pulled his hair (and the incident earlier in the game) didn't even get a mandatory meeting with the Disciplinary Committee.
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I would have given it 3 weeks
I also would have given the English bloke 2
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@Stargazer said in Australia v England - 1st Test:
I actually agree with the decision in Swain's case. That was the softest head butt to get red-carded I've ever seen. It was stupid to respond to a provocation like that, no doubt, but it's ridiculous that he gets suspended while the grub who pulled his hair (and the incident earlier in the game) didn't even get a mandatory meeting with the Disciplinary Committee.
Yeah exactly, calling it a head butt and getting frothy about that is a bit ridiculous. It was a nudge at best, might have been going in for a smooch.
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@Stargazer said in Australia v England - 1st Test:
I actually agree with the decision in Swain's case. That was the softest head butt to get red-carded I've ever seen. It was stupid to respond to a provocation like that, no doubt, but it's ridiculous that he gets suspended while the grub who pulled his hair (and the incident earlier in the game) didn't even get a mandatory meeting with the Disciplinary Committee.
He was red carded for intent not execution.
Quite fucking rightly.
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@Stargazer said in Australia v England - 1st Test:
I actually agree with the decision in Swain's case. That was the softest head butt to get red-carded I've ever seen. It was stupid to respond to a provocation like that, no doubt, but it's ridiculous that he gets suspended while the grub who pulled his hair (and the incident earlier in the game) didn't even get a mandatory meeting with the Disciplinary Committee.
I agree with all that and Hill should certainly have been cited for the hair pulling. Earlier incident? I must have missed that, what did he do?
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@MiketheSnow said in Australia v England - 1st Test:
@Stargazer said in Australia v England - 1st Test:
I actually agree with the decision in Swain's case. That was the softest head butt to get red-carded I've ever seen. It was stupid to respond to a provocation like that, no doubt, but it's ridiculous that he gets suspended while the grub who pulled his hair (and the incident earlier in the game) didn't even get a mandatory meeting with the Disciplinary Committee.
He was red carded for intent not execution.
Quite fucking rightly.
Absolutely. However the real punishment here was leaving his mates a man down for 70% of the match. The subsequent punishment should reflect more than just intent. I’m ok with 2 weeks.
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@Catogrande said in Australia v England - 1st Test:
@Stargazer said in Australia v England - 1st Test:
I actually agree with the decision in Swain's case. That was the softest head butt to get red-carded I've ever seen. It was stupid to respond to a provocation like that, no doubt, but it's ridiculous that he gets suspended while the grub who pulled his hair (and the incident earlier in the game) didn't even get a mandatory meeting with the Disciplinary Committee.
I agree with all that and Hill should certainly have been cited for the hair pulling. Earlier incident? I must have missed that, what did he do?
The earlier incident was at a ruck where Swain was standing next to the ruck as a guard and Hill just pushed him in the face as he attacked the line. It was high contact and just dumb. Went unpenalised and seemed to fire up Swain.
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@ACT-Crusader Yep.
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That’s not a good look. Hill is a very lucky boy.
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@Stargazer said in Australia v England - 1st Test:
@ACT-Crusader Yep.
How the fuck the ref missed that is beyond me.
The Georgian ref (and reffing team) in the SA v Wales match took a load of flack over the weekend - deservedly IMHO - but based on Hill's antics James Doleman and his team should have been raked over the coals.
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It's a yellow for me. You don't tend to pick up reds for open hand pushes like that. TMO and officials clearly asleep at the wheel though.
It was the hair pull that got me. Up here Creevy was (rightly imo) cited and banned for pulling Etzebeth's hair in May. It either is a red card offence, or it isn't.
Agustin Creevy suspended for one week | European Professional Club Rugby
The London Irish hooker, Agustin Creevy, has been suspended for one week following an independent Disciplinary Hearing arising from his club’s EPCR Challenge Cup quarter-final match against RC Toulon at Stade Félix Mayol.
*Law 9.27 A player must not do anything that is against the spirit of good sportsmanship
Under World Rugby’s Sanctions for Foul Play, Law 9.27 relating to hair pulling or grabbing carries the following sanction entry points – Low End: 2 weeks; Mid-range: 4 weeks; Top end: 6 to 52 weeks.*
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On the other point, sanction entry point reductions always make me laugh. You have to go to some serious effort to actually cop the 'entry' point. Be a repeat offender and plead not guilty ect. Even then they sometimes still drop a week or two anyway.
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@Stargazer said in Australia v England - 1st Test:
I actually agree with the decision in Swain's case. That was the softest head butt to get red-carded I've ever seen. It was stupid to respond to a provocation like that, no doubt, but it's ridiculous that he gets suspended while the grub who pulled his hair (and the incident earlier in the game) didn't even get a mandatory meeting with the Disciplinary Committee.
The softest I've ever seen was Mose Tuiali'i on Marius Joubert. It was more like a head push than a butt. Tuiali'i was red carded in the first half, the Stormers would still lose and Tuiali'i would be suspended for 3 weeks (entry point was 6 weeks).
And some say history doesn't repeat?
Swain decision definitely seems worthy of getting the blood pressure up over lol
