Australia v England - 1st Test
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@Stargazer said in Australia v England - 1st Test:
The independent Disciplinary Committee, chaired by Wang Shao-ing (Singapore), joined by former players Chris Smith (New Zealand) and Stefan Terblanche (South Africa), heard the case and considered all the available evidence, including hearing from the player and his legal representative.
I think Wanganui TCOB had a guy playing in their Magpies Team (essentially 4th Grade/Pressies) around the late 80s/early 90s that had a name of something like that, although he was referred to as something completely different as is the custom in those grades. He always reckoned he was good enough to play in the Wanganui B Team so clearly a player of some repute. Wonder if it is the same Chris Smith?
Come to think of it Wainui might also have had a guy with that name in the early 1990s so it might ring a bell with @mikey07
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@Higgins The NZ Rugby History site has 4 Christopher Smiths listed. One played 3 games for South Canterbury, the second played 13 games for King Country, the third played one game for of Plenty, and the fourth played 55 games for North Harbour (2007, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013) and 5 games for NZ U20 (2008). My guess it's the last one.
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@Bovidae said in Australia v England - 1st Test:
The North Harbour Chris Smith is a lawyer. He was the NZ U20 captain.
https://www.lawinsport.com/sports-law-advisors/item/chris-smith
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@Stargazer that ruling makes an absolute mockery of the whole entry point system.
6 weeks!
But you seem sorry so 3 weeks
Aaawww, you little rascal, boys will be boys, 2 weeks!!No one gets 6. Get rid of the 6 as an "entry point"
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@MN5 I know of at least one other with the name that losely translates to Chris Smith. I saw a guy by the name of Kalisi Samiti playing for Toloa Old Boys against Havelu Bulldogs when I was up there in Tonga round about 2003. Was going from town to the village where I was staying and saw a game about to start and just had to stop and watch as you do. Interesting to note that Ellis Meechan was also there watching as part of something he was doing for the IRB.
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@mariner4life said in Australia v England - 1st Test:
@Stargazer that ruling makes an absolute mockery of the whole entry point system.
6 weeks!
But you seem sorry so 3 weeks
Aaawww, you little rascal, boys will be boys, 2 weeks!!No one gets 6. Get rid of the 6 as an "entry point"
I'm livid.
Fucking joke
Sends no message.
Biting, butting, booting, gouging, pulling hair, grabbing testicles - regardless of provocation - say goodbye to your season.
No ifs, buts, or fucking good disciplinary records & remorse.
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I actually agree with the decision in Swain's case. That was the softest head butt to get red-carded I've ever seen. It was stupid to respond to a provocation like that, no doubt, but it's ridiculous that he gets suspended while the grub who pulled his hair (and the incident earlier in the game) didn't even get a mandatory meeting with the Disciplinary Committee.
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I would have given it 3 weeks
I also would have given the English bloke 2
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@Stargazer said in Australia v England - 1st Test:
I actually agree with the decision in Swain's case. That was the softest head butt to get red-carded I've ever seen. It was stupid to respond to a provocation like that, no doubt, but it's ridiculous that he gets suspended while the grub who pulled his hair (and the incident earlier in the game) didn't even get a mandatory meeting with the Disciplinary Committee.
Yeah exactly, calling it a head butt and getting frothy about that is a bit ridiculous. It was a nudge at best, might have been going in for a smooch.
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@Stargazer said in Australia v England - 1st Test:
I actually agree with the decision in Swain's case. That was the softest head butt to get red-carded I've ever seen. It was stupid to respond to a provocation like that, no doubt, but it's ridiculous that he gets suspended while the grub who pulled his hair (and the incident earlier in the game) didn't even get a mandatory meeting with the Disciplinary Committee.
He was red carded for intent not execution.
Quite fucking rightly.
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@Stargazer said in Australia v England - 1st Test:
I actually agree with the decision in Swain's case. That was the softest head butt to get red-carded I've ever seen. It was stupid to respond to a provocation like that, no doubt, but it's ridiculous that he gets suspended while the grub who pulled his hair (and the incident earlier in the game) didn't even get a mandatory meeting with the Disciplinary Committee.
I agree with all that and Hill should certainly have been cited for the hair pulling. Earlier incident? I must have missed that, what did he do?
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@MiketheSnow said in Australia v England - 1st Test:
@Stargazer said in Australia v England - 1st Test:
I actually agree with the decision in Swain's case. That was the softest head butt to get red-carded I've ever seen. It was stupid to respond to a provocation like that, no doubt, but it's ridiculous that he gets suspended while the grub who pulled his hair (and the incident earlier in the game) didn't even get a mandatory meeting with the Disciplinary Committee.
He was red carded for intent not execution.
Quite fucking rightly.
Absolutely. However the real punishment here was leaving his mates a man down for 70% of the match. The subsequent punishment should reflect more than just intent. I’m ok with 2 weeks.
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@Catogrande said in Australia v England - 1st Test:
@Stargazer said in Australia v England - 1st Test:
I actually agree with the decision in Swain's case. That was the softest head butt to get red-carded I've ever seen. It was stupid to respond to a provocation like that, no doubt, but it's ridiculous that he gets suspended while the grub who pulled his hair (and the incident earlier in the game) didn't even get a mandatory meeting with the Disciplinary Committee.
I agree with all that and Hill should certainly have been cited for the hair pulling. Earlier incident? I must have missed that, what did he do?
The earlier incident was at a ruck where Swain was standing next to the ruck as a guard and Hill just pushed him in the face as he attacked the line. It was high contact and just dumb. Went unpenalised and seemed to fire up Swain.
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@ACT-Crusader Yep.
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That’s not a good look. Hill is a very lucky boy.
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@Stargazer said in Australia v England - 1st Test:
@ACT-Crusader Yep.
How the fuck the ref missed that is beyond me.
The Georgian ref (and reffing team) in the SA v Wales match took a load of flack over the weekend - deservedly IMHO - but based on Hill's antics James Doleman and his team should have been raked over the coals.
