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Further replays seemed to indicate Chiefs teammate Angus Ta'avao assisted Cane's body going over the horizontal and contributed to the dangerous nature. After reviewing the incident, SANZAAR's Judiciary has confirmed 'the significant involvement of other players contributed to the incident', deeming it did not meet the red card threshold. -
FFS.... This is more bullshit...
This just makes it even more confusing for the on-field ref and TMO doesn't it, like what the fuck is a red card and what isn't. That was clear driving him headfirst into the turf. Just another reason that we need a report system as clearly the panel are the experts and they should decide after the game and not ruin the actual game by reducing teams to 13 or 14 players.
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Finau’s RC decided to be incorrect
10:40 in
What really annoys me about this is that both the ref and TMO decided he was “always high” which is clear nonsense. He is bent at the waist almost parallel to the ground. Also no consideration that the ball carrier clearly lowers his head height and “ducks”
Ref then treats the captain like a naughty kid with a little come here lecture.
Hope there was an apology.Clear camera work, clear mitigation, bad decision making with lots of time to get it right.
These are the ones you fear in a big match.
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@Crucial and this is where I think there has to be another way to deal with these, rugby is keen on other things league does, use thier report system.
That way, it takes the pressure off the refs to make those big calls, right or wrong and can be dealt with at a better time without time restraints of keeping the game going and having to base it on slow motion on a big screen.
Do they involve the ref in these hearings as well?
I know some will use the argument that teams will use it as a reasons to take someone out if there isnt sufficient penalty, but for my mind, at NPC and above, I think there is sufficient punishment if a visit to the judiciary, weeks off and possibly a financial penalty to both the player (relative to salary) and the team would be deterrent enough.
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Finau’s RC decided to be incorrect
10:40 in
What really annoys me about this is that both the ref and TMO decided he was “always high” which is clear nonsense. He is bent at the waist almost parallel to the ground. Also no consideration that the ball carrier clearly lowers his head height and “ducks”
Ref then treats the captain like a naughty kid with a little come here lecture.
Hope there was an apology.Clear camera work, clear mitigation, bad decision making with lots of time to get it right.
These are the ones you fear in a big match.
Poor chap
Even with the ‘outrageous’ jink from the ball carrier he only had a 1.5m hit zone and yet still managed to hit him head first.He took the risk of a body and all tackle, it failed, YC.
I just don’t understand the debate.
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@Crucial It's the same professional that doesn't understand what a forward pass is. That clown is clearly too incompetent to be a ref at this level.
My fear is a quarter final with him and Damon Murphy as two parts of the three ringed circus.
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@MiketheSnow said in Red Cards:
Finau’s RC decided to be incorrect
10:40 in
What really annoys me about this is that both the ref and TMO decided he was “always high” which is clear nonsense. He is bent at the waist almost parallel to the ground. Also no consideration that the ball carrier clearly lowers his head height and “ducks”
Ref then treats the captain like a naughty kid with a little come here lecture.
Hope there was an apology.Clear camera work, clear mitigation, bad decision making with lots of time to get it right.
These are the ones you fear in a big match.
Poor chap
Even with the ‘outrageous’ jink from the ball carrier he only had a 1.5m hit zone and yet still managed to hit him head first.He took the risk of a body and all tackle, it failed, YC.
I just don’t understand the debate.
this is a fucking hilarious post
With all due respect, you don't understand because you are old, and never even sniffed pro rugby. And that's totally fine. Basically none of us have (unless someone is keeping it super quiet). But lets not pretend we can personally relate.
And, even beyond that, you say yellow and yet he got a red. That's a debate no?
What the guys on the side of "the officials are right, it's the players who are wrong" are seemingly indicating is, they want rugby to reshape itself away from the way that even i was taught, and I started playing seniors like 2 and a half decades ago. And that is, tackle front on, win the gain line. Linespeed is everything. Get up fast, take away all space, win the collision. That's modern rugby defence 101.
As far as i can see, if you take this instance, and many others that have resulted in "questionable" reds, is that the target of the tackler is legal, and even with a margin. The ball carrier drops very late, and suddenly, way past the time to pull out, that original target line is no longer legal. The only way now, to ensure your target will remain legal until after the tackle is made, is to tackle from the side. Then, if they drop their body height, you can adjust, and if you don't, it doesn't matter, the head is past you.And you know what? That can absolutely happen. But you have to fundamentally change the game to do that. And not just coaching, but interpretations around a number of areas. And the game is going to look very very different as coaches are quick to exploit it to advantage.
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@MiketheSnow said in Red Cards:
Finau’s RC decided to be incorrect
10:40 in
What really annoys me about this is that both the ref and TMO decided he was “always high” which is clear nonsense. He is bent at the waist almost parallel to the ground. Also no consideration that the ball carrier clearly lowers his head height and “ducks”
Ref then treats the captain like a naughty kid with a little come here lecture.
Hope there was an apology.Clear camera work, clear mitigation, bad decision making with lots of time to get it right.
These are the ones you fear in a big match.
Poor chap
Even with the ‘outrageous’ jink from the ball carrier he only had a 1.5m hit zone and yet still managed to hit him head first.He took the risk of a body and all tackle, it failed, YC.
I just don’t understand the debate.
I get that when you go for a chest tackle you run a risk of something going wrong and you should suck it up.
When you bend over and don’t drive up (and the BC drops) you should also expect the ref and TMO to get it right. -
@mariner4life said in Red Cards:
@MiketheSnow said in Red Cards:
Finau’s RC decided to be incorrect
10:40 in
What really annoys me about this is that both the ref and TMO decided he was “always high” which is clear nonsense. He is bent at the waist almost parallel to the ground. Also no consideration that the ball carrier clearly lowers his head height and “ducks”
Ref then treats the captain like a naughty kid with a little come here lecture.
Hope there was an apology.Clear camera work, clear mitigation, bad decision making with lots of time to get it right.
These are the ones you fear in a big match.
Poor chap
Even with the ‘outrageous’ jink from the ball carrier he only had a 1.5m hit zone and yet still managed to hit him head first.He took the risk of a body and all tackle, it failed, YC.
I just don’t understand the debate.
this is a fucking hilarious post
With all due respect, you don't understand because you are old, and never even sniffed pro rugby. And that's totally fine. Basically none of us have (unless someone is keeping it super quiet). But lets not pretend we can personally relate.
And, even beyond that, you say yellow and yet he got a red. That's a debate no?
What the guys on the side of "the officials are right, it's the players who are wrong" are seemingly indicating is, they want rugby to reshape itself away from the way that even i was taught, and I started playing seniors like 2 and a half decades ago. And that is, tackle front on, win the gain line. Linespeed is everything. Get up fast, take away all space, win the collision. That's modern rugby defence 101.
As far as i can see, if you take this instance, and many others that have resulted in "questionable" reds, is that the target of the tackler is legal, and even with a margin. The ball carrier drops very late, and suddenly, way past the time to pull out, that original target line is no longer legal. The only way now, to ensure your target will remain legal until after the tackle is made, is to tackle from the side. Then, if they drop their body height, you can adjust, and if you don't, it doesn't matter, the head is past you.And you know what? That can absolutely happen. But you have to fundamentally change the game to do that. And not just coaching, but interpretations around a number of areas. And the game is going to look very very different as coaches are quick to exploit it to advantage.
I’m in good company.
Many professional coaches haven’t sniffed pro rugby either.
With age comes wisdom
The coaches and teams which address this quickly will reap the rewards.
The young & dumb can keep getting carded.
