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@paekakboyz I can't really give much advice on your situation, my current role (nearly 3 years) is the longest one I've had in 15 years, but my work allows me to switch organisations pretty frequently and I always have a stash of fuck off money on hand which would allow me to quit, do a bit of travel (Asia 3 months, rest of the word a month) before job hunting.
I'm actually not far off where you are with the senior leadership. My direct boss is a mate but the CEO and Board are idiots who do not know how the business runs. If not for my direct boss I would have left already.
TBF, my day to day is actually fine but I've got stuff due in October (re-accreditation of courses with regulator) that the big bosses are making difficult as they don't understand the business. If they make it too difficult I'll leave before then.
But I think you should probably see what's out there, test the waters.
So sorry, not much wisdom from me, just a vent from me as well, but all the best with whatever direction you take.
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@paekakboyz I think it is super important to have job happiness.
I quit my job after 11 years last April as I had had a gutsful. For three months I just chilled on the farm and did the horses and holidayed around Australia following on e of our horses.
In August they asked me to come back and contract which I agreed to. Nothing had changed at all (had prolly got worse) but I was as happy at work as I can remember in that company. All I need was a decent timeout as I had let myself get more and more miserable in the Job but it was probably more me than the job but I could easily find faults at work to blame.
As it happen I have now got myself a new job that starts after Easter that I can't wait to get my teeth sunk into and it's the top finance role for this company. I don't think I would have got the role if I hadn't had a time out from work last year.
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@paekakboyz Now is an excellent time to start looking with Covid impacting skilled migration, the pendulum is in the employee's favour with organisations clamouring for good people.
My limited advice would be to seek out other people in your industry and ask them to speak candidly about their workplace culture which can give you an idea of who to move to and avoid. As uncomfortable as it may seem at first, an honest conversation at your current place may help too.
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@paekakboyz some good advice so far, I dont know your personal circumstances but I would suggest though telling your wife is important as opposed to not tell her. All support is useful when making the big decisions even if you dont leave your gig.
I'm over my work as well, but I think for me that is more due to just needing a long break, currently pushing through but don't always enjoy it. Not sure which way i will go at this stage.
@antipodean is right, the job market is hot right now for good people, so if you are serious about looking, it is a good time to try.
Good luck whatever option you choose
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@paekakboyz great question.
Don't underestimate the covid effect over hte last two years, isolating people and having sustained elevated mental pressure. Job hunting is scary, but it can't hurt; if you don't trust your senior people, it's a big red flag.
Of course, they may also be suffering from covid effects, so having a good break as @Nepia said may not be a bad idea. I have a solid mid career break sheduled at the end of the year, but even that look sa long way off. The opposite of thriving is languishing, and it feels a lot like that right now.
Have a listen to this if you have time, some interesting perspectives:
Fighting that "Meh" Feeling of Languishing | The Happiness Lab with Dr. Laurie Santos
The author of the #1 NYT bestselling book Think Again: The Power of Knowing What You Don’t Know and host of TED’s Work Life podcast says we ignore this "meh" feeling at our peril and explains how he fought back against languishing...with a game of Mario Kart.
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thanks guys - some good advice and stuff to consider while I manage this meh feeling! I'm partway through that podcast @antipodean - it's good but holy shit that guy is an overachiever!!
@Hooroo that's the bit I am finding extra hard. Is it the Covid stuff and being generally tired that means I'm bothered by stuff I'd ignore or didn't even notice in the past? probably a mix of that plus the usual family and $$ pressures.
I've got a short break lined up in 2 weeks so I think I'll mull things over then make some plans. Can't hurt to test the market and I reckon I'll hit up some recruitment agencies rather than binge on Seek or whatever. I will avoid updating LinkedIn as isn't that the biggest tell that you are planning on leaving?
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Gotta endorse what others have said. It is hard to change jobs but you are young and you spend a lot of your life at work. It can quickly turn into hell and start negatively effecting other parts of your life if it turns into a "why does that fucking clock move so slow" situation.
It is definitely a candidates market so checking it out makes sense. It also sounds like (depending on your relationship with your immediate Manager) that you need to talk about the culture and your career aspirations - without spilling your guts of course. What's the review process?
If you're good at your job and fit in well you might be surprised how suddenly accommodating everyone becomes
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@dogmeat that first bit hits home. I'm often a grumpy bastard at home and that isn't usual for me. That feeling of not doing (or being present) enough in any one part of your life doesn't help.
My manager is a good operator and he's in SLT but has been sidelined a bit. It's hard to gauge how much (if any) is his own doing, but I hear about clashes at that level more than I'd like. It's not lost on my that I'm only hearing his take, so I'm being careful not to just line up behind him just because.
In terms of my area and quite a few contracts my work would be fucked if I left, and that weighs on me as well. I don't want to screw anyone over. I'm going to go have a beer with our CE soon, he was my old manager and some of my dissatisfaction is about how he's moved to group decision making rather than making calls himself. He led the area I'm in before becoming the CE so he knows exactly what I contribute and have built upon.
One other thing I should tap into is workplace support for mental health etc. I think it'd be helpful to talk about that while I also check out career opportunities.
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@paekakboyz Sounds like a plan. One thing I would warn against is hanging on because you feel a sense of responsibility e.g. "I don't want to screw anyone over."
I have made a career out of doing the right thing by everyone except myself. It's not a great strategy....
Of course unlike you I'm perennially grumpy so I have that to fall back on.
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@Paekakboyz One way of exploring what your options are is to put a decent profile up on Linkedin then sit back and see who comes knocking.
It is definitely a candidates market out there at the moment and there is a shortage of skills/experience.
I was content in my job and fielding at least one enquiry a week from recruiters, most of which backed away with a simple 'not interested at present, thanks' as I wasn't keen to jump from frying pan to fire, even for a bit more. Flexible/remote working arrangements where I am are pretty good and left open a possibility of moving down south and keeping my job.
Then, out of the blue I got an approach for something that offered more job satisfaction and about a 30% increase in pay. One interview later and I am fairly certain I'll have an offer on the table in the next few days.Test the market. Not much effort required on your part and you might just freshen things up work wise.
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If you’re going to speak with anyone senior at the workplace then get HR involved- if you have one.
My missus is going through the same at the moment.
Her immediate boss isn’t up to the task and throws everyone else under the bus whenever he fucks up.
Every one of my missus’ predecessors quit because of him.
She’s like, fuck that.
Got HR involved.
Has weekly meeting on company time, and in a short space of time he’s had to wise up.
It’s still work, but it’s better.
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@dogmeat said in Happiness Scale:
If you're good at your job and fit in well you might be surprised how suddenly accommodating everyone becomes
In my experience that has a limited lifespan.
Like any bad relationship, everyone promises to get better, but old habits die hard. Things improve then spiral back down, and there is only so far a good team can keep you afloat.
@Paekakboyz I say have an honest chat with someone in your leadership stream that you trust, and see how understanding they are. Sometimes these things go under the radar until the bandaid is ripped off.
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Well, a couple of months have gone by and my work situation has improved a bit. Still updating my JD but given they'll get it benchmarked once it's finalised that's working in my favour
Work-life balance is still pretty out of whack. Had 2 weeks leave lined up for July then one of my team had a family emergency and is heading home to see family. I'll still manage some leave but not what I'd hoped for.
We did get the latest set of plans back from our architect and the reno is looking good. Bank lending is sorted also which is great. So we are pretty excited with having things one step closer to starting. Anyone got a stash of gib? asking for a friend
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@Paekakboyz yep! Halfway through doing bathroom renos ourselves and ordered twice as much as needed.
Took the second bedroom's wardrobe for the bathroom, this fucken house fighting us every inch of the way. Who's ever heard of a metal double sided architrave? Half a day of grinding and 17 cutting discs just to remove the bedroom wall side...
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@canefan said in Happiness Scale:
@voodoo said in Happiness Scale:
We started a 3 month reno on the 4th of Feb. Still going strong...
Hope you don't need GIB board....
Tilers! I need fucking tilers
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@voodoo said in Happiness Scale:
@canefan said in Happiness Scale:
@voodoo said in Happiness Scale:
We started a 3 month reno on the 4th of Feb. Still going strong...
Hope you don't need GIB board....
Tilers! I need fucking tilers
Maaaate just watch a youtube video. You'll be a pro in seconds.
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@Bones said in Happiness Scale:
@voodoo said in Happiness Scale:
@canefan said in Happiness Scale:
@voodoo said in Happiness Scale:
We started a 3 month reno on the 4th of Feb. Still going strong...
Hope you don't need GIB board....
Tilers! I need fucking tilers
Maaaate just watch a youtube video. You'll be a pro in seconds.
Pfft, if I did it myself then I'd need builders to remove the shit i fucked up then I'd still need tilers afterwards...
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