Hurricanes vs Highlanders

Unco

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Not for the All Blacks he doesn't.
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Yes he does.

Sapetyvi

In 2015 RWC Retallick won 4 balls on own throw 
Whitelock 28 
Read 17 
Kaino 12 
Edit 
both Read and Retallick had 6 steals each 
According to the Vodacom app

hydro11

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Unco" data-cid="583287" data-time="1464342962">
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Yes he does.
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Hardly (despite the likes you have received). The facts would suggest you are incorrect.
 
World Cup Final: Read 5, Whitelock 3, Kaino 3, Retallik 2
World Cup Semi Final: Read 3, Whitelock 2, Kaino 2, McCaw 1
World Cup Quarter Final: Read 4, Whitelock 2, Kaino 1, Retallick 1
Vs Tonga (retallick on bench): Read 4, Whitelock 2, Romano 1, Cane 1
Vs Georgia: Read 6, Whitelock 5
Vs Argentina: Read 7, Whitelock 4, Retallick 2, Kaino 2, Carter 1, McCaw 1, Cane 1
Vs Australia: Read 5, Whitelock 2, Vito 1, McCaw 1
Vs Australia: Read 4, Kaino 3
Vs South Africa: Read 3, Messam 1, Retallick 1, McCaw 1
Vs Argentina: Read 1, Kaino 1, Retallick 1
Vs Samoa: Read 4, Whitelock 3, Retallick 1
 
So in 11 test matches last year, Retallick took 8 balls off of the lineout. Vito also took 8 (the Naimbia game just isn't posted here). Whitelock, Read and Kaino all took far more lineout ball. If you are defining using Retallick in the lineout as Retallick taking less than 1 lineout ball per game, then you are right. I don't think most people would define it like that.
 
I don't know if it was you, but I had the exact same debate with someone last year and I posted the figures from 2015 which showed the exact same thing. I don't know how someone could have watched the All Blacks over the last few seasons and think that Retallick is regularly used at the lineout multiple times per test; he just isn't. As I have stated, I don't think this has anything to do with Retallick's skill at the lineout.

hydro11

Anyway, the point is that Fatialofa can play lock even if he is bad the lineout provided that we have at least two lineout options in the team (which we do in Read and Kaino/Luatua). Of course, it doesn't matter because the Hurricanes lineout has functioned very well this season (when Matu'u isn't throwing). Fatialofa probably shouldn't make the All Blacks anyway.

Unco

I wasn't aware Retallick debuted in 2015... Oh wait he didn't. Here's that same silly list for 2014:
 
vs England: Whitelock 3, Kaino 2, Retallick 1 
vs England: Retallick 7, Kaino 3 
vs England: Read 6, Retallick 3, Whitelock 1, Tuipulotu 1 
vs Australia: Whitelock 3, Read 2, Retallick 2, McCaw 1 
vs Australia: Whitelock 5, Retallick 3, Read 3, Messam 1 
vs Argentina: Read 8, Retallick 3, Messam 2 
vs South Africa: Read 4, Luatua 2, Retallick 1, Thrush 1, McCaw 1 
vs Argentina: Read 3, Retallick 2, Kaino 2 
vs Australia: Read 7, Whitelock 2, Retallick 2, McCaw 1 
vs USA (bench): Read 5, Thrush 2, Vito 2, Tuipulotu 1 
vs England: Read 4, Kaino 1, Retallick 1, Whitelock 1, Tuipulotu 1, Messam 1 
vs Wales: Read 4, Retallick 2
 
So in 12 tests (11 starts, he had a tiny cameo from the bench vs USA), he took 28 throws. Sure looks to me like he takes lineout ball for the ABs.

Rancid Schnitzel

Recorded game and just watched replay. 
Awesome win! But Beauden nearly fooked it again with the kicking. 
Few quick points. 
-Corey Jane is back. He had a great game. Proctor was lively too.

A Smith had a shocker.
J Savea is a disgrace. I don't think he should get picked for the ABs until the RC. His lil bro was awesome.
I think I could live with Lima at 10 for the ABs. 
-Laumape is a unit and a half.

Wreck Diver

HMMM I haven't seen the game yet but according to some Crusader fans I though the Canes were suppose to lose this game. :whistle: :think:

crusadersfan

Just back from watching both games and I must say I enjoyed both, Highlanders just a little disappointing but the Canes played some great broken play rugby.
Cudos to them taking the win but luckily no canes fans turned up at the bar so saved me some money

Stargazer

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Recorded game and just watched replay. 
Awesome win! But Beauden nearly fooked it again with the kicking. 
Few quick points. 
-Corey Jane is back. He had a great game. Proctor was lively too.

A Smith had a shocker.
J Savea is a disgrace. I don't think he should get picked for the ABs until the RC. His lil bro was awesome.
I think I could live with Lima at 10 for the ABs. 
-Laumape is a unit and a half.
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He only missed one kick.

ACT Crusader

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="SammyC" data-cid="583268" data-time="1464340698">No doubt 
And Luke Whitelock is a soft sack of shit</blockquote>
 
He was very quiet, but I thought he got the hit of the night in that 1st half.

Winger

A Savea :good:
 
J Savea :Bang_Head:

sparky

Really pleasing Hurricanes win, even if the Highlanders weren't at their best. 
Awesome from both Beauden Barrett and Ardie Savea, my two favourite players at the moment. Looking forward to both being equally awesome for the All Blacks this year.

sparky

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Toddy" data-cid="583264" data-time="1464340577">Ardie could be a real weapon off the bench against tiring defences (for the ABs)</blockquote>
 
That's true but he'd also be awesome with the Number 7 jersey on back.

SammyC

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="ACT Crusader" data-cid="583381" data-time="1464355403">He was very quiet, but I thought he got the hit of the night in that 1st half.</blockquote>
 
It was a great hit 
I can think of 2 occasions when it would have been more valuable to his team though

Wreck Diver

Canes forward pack out played the highlanders, the 8 won us this game.

Rancid Schnitzel

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He only missed one kick.</blockquote>
 
Yes, but it was a penalty right near the end that any AB kicker should knock over in their sleep.

Dan54

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Recorded game and just watched replay. 
Awesome win! But Beauden nearly fooked it again with the kicking. 
Few quick points. 
-Corey Jane is back. He had a great game. Proctor was lively too.

A Smith had a shocker.
J Savea is a disgrace. I don't think he should get picked for the ABs until the RC. His lil bro was awesome.
I think I could live with Lima at 10 for the ABs. 
-Laumape is a unit and a half.
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You right about Jane having a good one RS, and Laumape I think is going to end up a pretty good player, as you say he a bloody unit and a half. I also think Proctor could make one or 2 sit up and notice if he keeps going like he has in some of these games!

Immenso Rapido

A lot of forward passes to my eye in this match. Does Mexted's academy up in Palmy do refereeing courses? Because that looked like a Mexted style performance.

KiwiMurph

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He was very quiet, but I thought he got the hit of the night in that 1st half.
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He also completely missed the first up tackle on both Shields for his try and Savea's last try. A big red cross for that.

antipodean

Some fairly blatant obstruction in that last try. <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ExaltedGentleCleanerwrasse-mobile.mp4'>https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ExaltedGentleCleanerwrasse-mobile.mp4</a>

The Silver Fern

Hurricanes vs Highlanders