Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022
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@broughie said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
@dan54 We could argue to win till the cows come home. I prefer a bigger number eight that dents the defense with hard running. Ardie seems to wiggle through the defense through hard running.
And his defense is pretty passive. Not great going backward.
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@nzzp said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
@dan54 you say that about sizes and shapes, but the height is important. You need one ideally two lineout options.
Yep up to a point, 8 doesn't have to be a lineout option, it's always handy to have extra lineout options, but I wouldn't play a lesser No8 just so I had another 3-4 cms. I not saying all points aren't valid , but I still cannot name a better 8 in NZ when taking overall skills etc required for the job. I am quite happy if others think there are better ones, but I kind of waiting to hear them. I have hopes for Sotutu and Cullen Grace, but they haven't quite got there yet.
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@frank said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
@broughie said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
@dan54 We could argue to win till the cows come home. I prefer a bigger number eight that dents the defense with hard running. Ardie seems to wiggle through the defense through hard running.
And his defense is pretty passive. Not great going backward.
Ok I understand you not keen on him, but I think to say he a passive defender is a stretch. You must of been upset with the likes of Read, Zinzan etc etc. Who are all the attacking defensive 8s around?
I would repeat , he was picked in world rugby's dream team for 2021, so he doing something right. -
@nzzp said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
@dan54 3 to 4cm? Oh, my sides
Ok 5 cms, thats how much shorter Ardie is compared to Kieran Read, 1 or 2 shorter than Zinzan. So who is at 8 in your team, where their height makes up for difference in skills? Genuine question, and I can handle the fact you don'tlike Ardie at 8, just want to know who you got in his place.
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@dan54 said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
@frank said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
@broughie said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
@dan54 We could argue to win till the cows come home. I prefer a bigger number eight that dents the defense with hard running. Ardie seems to wiggle through the defense through hard running.
And his defense is pretty passive. Not great going backward.
Ok I understand you not keen on him, but I think to say he a passive defender is a stretch. You must of been upset with the likes of Read, Zinzan etc etc. Who are all the attacking defensive 8s around?
I would repeat , he was picked in world rugby's dream team for 2021, so he doing something right.Read was a far more offensive tackler than Savea is.
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Lol Dan you're off your head with these shit Read takes.
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@mariner4life And don’t forget that Zinzan Brooke, one of the great offensive defenders, couldn’t tackle too!
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@tim said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
@mariner4life And don’t forget that Zinzan Brooke, one of the great offensive defenders, couldn’t tackle too!
You obviously don't remember Zinny's nicname as Timtam as he was supposedly soft in the middle. He wasn't in my opinion, but know as a great offensive tackler , give me strength. He was a bloody great No8, but yours is first time I have heard that.
@mariner4life said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
Lol Dan you're off your head with these shit Read takes.
Why, Read was another great 8, but not known as an offensive tackler, but bloody good defender, but not a physical one, we tended to have Kaino doing that job especially in close (where it is normal for a 6 to defend) while Read was great as a support 8,.He was also ABs main lineout target, although only 1.93m Tell me where I so wrong.
And who are the 8s to take his position, and why is he in 2021 dreamteam with all these weaknesses he got?Anyway I got rugby to watch on tv, I will see all these players etc names another day.
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@dan54 I went to most Blues and Auckland home games during Brooke's career, and I rewatched a lot of classic Auckland and Blues games over covid. His driving defence was extremely impressive, and he frequently generated turnovers with the force of his hits and his ability to turn players in the tackle.
His defensive abilities were obvious to anyone who actually watched him play. I recommend you refresh your memory, and forget whatever nickname provincial idiots of time gave him. Start with the Lions vs. Auckland game in the early 90s.
Ludicrous claim.
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The new fella Sullivan had a great game in the midfield, looks to have good all-rounds skills, he executed a well weighted grubber for Goosen to score, him & Umaga-Jensen are going to be a top midfield combo for the Canes... Love kicked aimlessly at 10 in the first game, he's clearly thought about it a lot as his general kicking game when he came on was very accurate against the Blues, the bloke has a long punt too & as we all know a ton of speed.
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@canefan said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
@nzbloke said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
The real turning point was when the Canes incumbent players come off the bench & were all on the field - if that fool Holland had started them in the first place we wouldn't have struggled so much throughout most of the match... the Blues were always going to fade a bit towards the back end of the match through lack of match fitness.
JGB looks really fat in those shorts. How can he earn starts when Love plays like that?
Love has so much more to offer than him... they only way you'd start JGB is if Love was out injured.
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@nzbloke Jackson Garden-Bachop is just a very average rugby player. Unfortunately Holland loves to pick them.
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well, late to the thread. Haven't seen the game yet, but not surprised if we faded in the last quarter given the lack of match practice.
I'm looking forward to seeing the tape though, sounds like the Blues did everything but win it. That's a good sign for the future. Our only job is to make the final of the comp - after that it's on like Kong. It's harder to get decent coaching and play a decent pattern than it is to fix fitness and match awareness in the last 10. So I'm pissed (particularly because my neighbour took the opportunity to wind me up on it), but not devastated.
anyhoo, still feels too early for footy. Had most of a day of IRL live cricket on Sat, with the test match as well, and half an eye on the Ford Trophy ... and then socialising in the evening so didn't even get a chacne to turn it on.
Too soon to say 'this is our year'?
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@tim said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
@dan54 I went to most Blues and Auckland home games during Brooke's career, and I rewatched a lot of classic Auckland and Blues games over covid. His driving defence was extremely impressive, and he frequently generated turnovers with the force of his hits and his ability to turn players in the tackle.
His defensive abilities were obvious to anyone who actually watched him play. I recommend you refresh your memory, and forget whatever nickname provincial idiots of time gave him. Start with the Lions vs. Auckland game in the early 90s.
Ludicrous claim.
Mate I went to a lot of tests that Zinzan played, was at his first, and never came away thinking he was a dominant tackler. Always thought he a bloody great 8, but never really a hard man. To be fair for Auckland he was playing in a very dominant pack, so was usually tacking going forward. This is no way to downplay Zinny in anyway, he was bloody good, but his nic outside Auckland was Timtam as I said. (I also argued with too,) I think he suffered the nic because many were wanting a Buck clone at 8, he was evry bit as good as Buck I thought, but with a different skill set. Positions eveolve, and that's my argument with Savea, he is a good 8, but not a clone of Read etc.
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@mikey07 said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
Just seen the Stats of the game Rakete-Stones made a whopping 11 tackles, Sangster 12.
Riccitelli 10 RTS made 12 and Choat a game high 19.That Rakete-Stones is not too bad a prop is he? Not saying test player or anything, but a he going bloody well at this level, seems ok at scrummimg too.
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@canes4life said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
@nzbloke Jackson Garden-Bachop is just a very average rugby player. Unfortunately Holland loves to pick them.
He seems that to me too, though to be fair he went well when he came on against Crusaders, but I would never think of him as more than a journeyman suited perhaps to the bench.
