Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022
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@broughie said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
@dan54 We could argue to win till the cows come home. I prefer a bigger number eight that dents the defense with hard running. Ardie seems to wiggle through the defense through hard running.
Exactly mate, I have no problem with that at all, as you say YOU prefer to play a certain way, that doesn't make either of us right. I just don't dismiss players that fit my idea of a player in certain positions.
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@broughie donbrant is huge also
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@muddyriver Yeah. I watched a bit of the England Wales game today and I was wondering who that big hua was.
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I a like that Dombrandt, but Eddie is reluctant to play him at times.
I just don't see any 8s in NZ that I would have in ABs ahead of Ardie though,
I know it just opinion, but loosies roles have changed so much in last few years, and the old they have to be such and such a build etc etc doesn't really work. -
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@broughie said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
@dan54 We could argue to win till the cows come home. I prefer a bigger number eight that dents the defense with hard running. Ardie seems to wiggle through the defense through hard running.
And his defense is pretty passive. Not great going backward.
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@nzzp said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
@dan54 you say that about sizes and shapes, but the height is important. You need one ideally two lineout options.
Yep up to a point, 8 doesn't have to be a lineout option, it's always handy to have extra lineout options, but I wouldn't play a lesser No8 just so I had another 3-4 cms. I not saying all points aren't valid , but I still cannot name a better 8 in NZ when taking overall skills etc required for the job. I am quite happy if others think there are better ones, but I kind of waiting to hear them. I have hopes for Sotutu and Cullen Grace, but they haven't quite got there yet.
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@frank said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
@broughie said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
@dan54 We could argue to win till the cows come home. I prefer a bigger number eight that dents the defense with hard running. Ardie seems to wiggle through the defense through hard running.
And his defense is pretty passive. Not great going backward.
Ok I understand you not keen on him, but I think to say he a passive defender is a stretch. You must of been upset with the likes of Read, Zinzan etc etc. Who are all the attacking defensive 8s around?
I would repeat , he was picked in world rugby's dream team for 2021, so he doing something right. -
@nzzp said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
@dan54 3 to 4cm? Oh, my sides
Ok 5 cms, thats how much shorter Ardie is compared to Kieran Read, 1 or 2 shorter than Zinzan. So who is at 8 in your team, where their height makes up for difference in skills? Genuine question, and I can handle the fact you don'tlike Ardie at 8, just want to know who you got in his place.
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@dan54 said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
@frank said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
@broughie said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
@dan54 We could argue to win till the cows come home. I prefer a bigger number eight that dents the defense with hard running. Ardie seems to wiggle through the defense through hard running.
And his defense is pretty passive. Not great going backward.
Ok I understand you not keen on him, but I think to say he a passive defender is a stretch. You must of been upset with the likes of Read, Zinzan etc etc. Who are all the attacking defensive 8s around?
I would repeat , he was picked in world rugby's dream team for 2021, so he doing something right.Read was a far more offensive tackler than Savea is.
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Lol Dan you're off your head with these shit Read takes.
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@mariner4life And don’t forget that Zinzan Brooke, one of the great offensive defenders, couldn’t tackle too!
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@tim said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
@mariner4life And don’t forget that Zinzan Brooke, one of the great offensive defenders, couldn’t tackle too!
You obviously don't remember Zinny's nicname as Timtam as he was supposedly soft in the middle. He wasn't in my opinion, but know as a great offensive tackler , give me strength. He was a bloody great No8, but yours is first time I have heard that.
@mariner4life said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
Lol Dan you're off your head with these shit Read takes.
Why, Read was another great 8, but not known as an offensive tackler, but bloody good defender, but not a physical one, we tended to have Kaino doing that job especially in close (where it is normal for a 6 to defend) while Read was great as a support 8,.He was also ABs main lineout target, although only 1.93m Tell me where I so wrong.
And who are the 8s to take his position, and why is he in 2021 dreamteam with all these weaknesses he got?Anyway I got rugby to watch on tv, I will see all these players etc names another day.
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@dan54 I went to most Blues and Auckland home games during Brooke's career, and I rewatched a lot of classic Auckland and Blues games over covid. His driving defence was extremely impressive, and he frequently generated turnovers with the force of his hits and his ability to turn players in the tackle.
His defensive abilities were obvious to anyone who actually watched him play. I recommend you refresh your memory, and forget whatever nickname provincial idiots of time gave him. Start with the Lions vs. Auckland game in the early 90s.
Ludicrous claim.
