Coronavirus - UK
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@victor-meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@rapido said in Coronavirus - UK:
Nah, that the Millenium Bug retrospective argument.
You'd be amazed at the number of people business - even at Director level - who thought Y2K was a hoax.
There was a tremendous amount of unnecessary work and inflated costs during that period. I had the temerity to question why printers all needed to be replaced. That was a long, uncomfortable silence.
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I understand that the 6N in Wales will not be subject to covid restrictions this year?
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - UK:
I understand that the 6N in Wales will not be subject to covid restrictions this year?
Apparently so. Drakeford back tracking at the last minute to a more sensible position after showing that he cares more about his people than Boris does his. Grandstanding 🙄
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@catogrande It's disgusting how the populace have been treated by politicians throughout this.
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@antipodean Indeed.
As much as I despise the British media, by fuck do they hold the government to account for their bullshit though.
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@catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - UK:
I understand that the 6N in Wales will not be subject to covid restrictions this year?
Apparently so. Drakeford back tracking at the last minute to a more sensible position after showing that he cares more about his people than Boris does his. Grandstanding 🙄
Think the WRU told Drakeford to fuck off
At least I hope they did
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@mikethesnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
@catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - UK:
I understand that the 6N in Wales will not be subject to covid restrictions this year?
Apparently so. Drakeford back tracking at the last minute to a more sensible position after showing that he cares more about his people than Boris does his. Grandstanding 🙄
Think the WRU told Drakeford to fuck off
At least I hope they did
He has some serious competition, but is he the biggest piston wristed gibbon in UK Politics?
- Has more restrictions than others, accuses Boris of not caring about his people
- Goes silent when none of his extra restrictions work & Wales pops up to be the worst affected part of the UK
- Cases drop (as they have everywhere)
- Suddenly vocal again about how Wales is doing it best because of the restrictions
Do people see right through this bullshit and realise it's all about choosing statistics to play politics, as opposed genuinely doing what is right & best?
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May be bollocks, but I have friends in Newport who've told me people go to hospitals across the Severn to avoid the Welsh parliament-run NHS.
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Slightly off topic but son broke his foot playing hockey so been doing a fair bit NHS Usage of late. A few observations
- To a person, everybody at Surry County hospital have been absolutely lovely to deal with
- Long wait on first day, but there were a few proper sick kids so I'm loathe to complain
- It's paediatric unit but it really does feel like they genuinely care. Nothing robotic at all
- Paperwork. Insane. I think the Dr's spend 10 mins per hour diagnosing / dealing with and 50 mins paperwork
Conclusion. It's far from perfect. Far from it. But the coalface workers have been incredible and amazing. Something to genuinely be proud of.
It's enough to make you turn a bit left.
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@majorrage said in Coronavirus - UK:
Conclusion. It's far from perfect. Far from it. But the coalface workers have been incredible and amazing. Something to genuinely be proud of.
It's enough to make you turn a bit left.We've had the completely opposite experience from the coal-face workers. Yes, they smiled and said all the right things but the utter lack of care they gave to Mrs M's parents was so bad, they refused to go back to hospital for treatment. Some examples:
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We were given 36 hrs to arrange 24/7 care for two old people with dementia and Parkinsons. It was made clear an ambulance would deliver them back to their house whether care was in place or not.
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The "caring" staff never took notice of our requests that water, reading glasses and hearing aid were kept by his bedside. He was diagnosed with dehydration after he was discharged.
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They had been married for 65 years but when Mrs M's father asked how his wife was, they refused to answer any questions, quoting "data protection" - witnessed by other people.
I can only speak from our recent experience, but the contrast between the initial smiling, caring faces and reality was stark. They really didn't care.
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@majorrage said in Coronavirus - UK:
@mikethesnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
@catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - UK:
I understand that the 6N in Wales will not be subject to covid restrictions this year?
Apparently so. Drakeford back tracking at the last minute to a more sensible position after showing that he cares more about his people than Boris does his. Grandstanding 🙄
Think the WRU told Drakeford to fuck off
At least I hope they did
He has some serious competition, but is he the biggest piston wristed gibbon in UK Politics?
- Has more restrictions than others, accuses Boris of not caring about his people
- Goes silent when none of his extra restrictions work & Wales pops up to be the worst affected part of the UK
- Cases drop (as they have everywhere)
- Suddenly vocal again about how Wales is doing it best because of the restrictions
Do people see right through this bullshit and realise it's all about choosing statistics to play politics, as opposed genuinely doing what is right & best?
Either him or Sturgeon
Fucking useless
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@victor-meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@majorrage said in Coronavirus - UK:
Conclusion. It's far from perfect. Far from it. But the coalface workers have been incredible and amazing. Something to genuinely be proud of.
It's enough to make you turn a bit left.We've had the completely opposite experience from the coal-face workers. Yes, they smiled and said all the right things but the utter lack of care they gave to Mrs M's parents was so bad, they refused to go back to hospital for treatment. Some examples:
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We were given 36 hrs to arrange 24/7 care for two old people with dementia and Parkinsons. It was made clear an ambulance would deliver them back to their house whether care was in place or not.
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The "caring" staff never took notice of our requests that water, reading glasses and hearing aid were kept by his bedside. He was diagnosed with dehydration after he was discharged.
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They had been married for 65 years but when Mrs M's father asked how his wife was, they refused to answer any questions, quoting "data protection" - witnessed by other people.
I can only speak from our recent experience, but the contrast between the initial smiling, caring faces and reality was stark. They really didn't care.
My recent experience is much more in line with yours than @MajorRage sadly. We've had multiple visits to NHS maternity care for various reasons, and the attitude is just "get you out of there as fast as possible and don't you dare ask questions." Really upsetting the lack of humanity by all the staff. Nonsense covid rules seem like an excuse to treat patients even worse. I get these poor staff are probably overwhelmed and underfunded etc, but it is a brutal experience.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - UK:
@catogrande It's disgusting how the populace have been treated by politicians throughout this.
I think that there are issues around some decision making that look bad in hindsight but I'm happy to give some leeway there. A lack of joined up logical thinking is less excusable though. Then there is the political grandstanding from some that is just downright despicable.
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@tewaio said in Coronavirus - UK:
@victor-meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@majorrage said in Coronavirus - UK:
Conclusion. It's far from perfect. Far from it. But the coalface workers have been incredible and amazing. Something to genuinely be proud of.
It's enough to make you turn a bit left.We've had the completely opposite experience from the coal-face workers. Yes, they smiled and said all the right things but the utter lack of care they gave to Mrs M's parents was so bad, they refused to go back to hospital for treatment. Some examples:
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We were given 36 hrs to arrange 24/7 care for two old people with dementia and Parkinsons. It was made clear an ambulance would deliver them back to their house whether care was in place or not.
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The "caring" staff never took notice of our requests that water, reading glasses and hearing aid were kept by his bedside. He was diagnosed with dehydration after he was discharged.
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They had been married for 65 years but when Mrs M's father asked how his wife was, they refused to answer any questions, quoting "data protection" - witnessed by other people.
I can only speak from our recent experience, but the contrast between the initial smiling, caring faces and reality was stark. They really didn't care.
My recent experience is much more in line with yours than @MajorRage sadly. We've had multiple visits to NHS maternity care for various reasons, and the attitude is just "get you out of there as fast as possible and don't you dare ask questions." Really upsetting the lack of humanity by all the staff. Nonsense covid rules seem like an excuse to treat patients even worse. I get these poor staff are probably overwhelmed and underfunded etc, but it is a brutal experience.
I don't have any experience in the UK, but here in Japan things are 70% publicly funded, and due to my health issues I've been to a few places. I think there are two parts to it: One is the system and funding and training overall, and the second is the culture of the individual clinic or hospital. I travel more than an hour to a particular hospital were I get treated really well and the system all (mostly) make sense, rather than be frustrated by the hospital that is literally 5 minutes away by bus.
I suspect that Japan beats the UK in both aspects, but I think the second really makes a bit difference, so I can see how all three of you have very different experiences.
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@tewaio said in Coronavirus - UK:
@victor-meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@majorrage said in Coronavirus - UK:
Conclusion. It's far from perfect. Far from it. But the coalface workers have been incredible and amazing. Something to genuinely be proud of.
It's enough to make you turn a bit left.We've had the completely opposite experience from the coal-face workers. Yes, they smiled and said all the right things but the utter lack of care they gave to Mrs M's parents was so bad, they refused to go back to hospital for treatment. Some examples:
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We were given 36 hrs to arrange 24/7 care for two old people with dementia and Parkinsons. It was made clear an ambulance would deliver them back to their house whether care was in place or not.
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The "caring" staff never took notice of our requests that water, reading glasses and hearing aid were kept by his bedside. He was diagnosed with dehydration after he was discharged.
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They had been married for 65 years but when Mrs M's father asked how his wife was, they refused to answer any questions, quoting "data protection" - witnessed by other people.
I can only speak from our recent experience, but the contrast between the initial smiling, caring faces and reality was stark. They really didn't care.
My recent experience is much more in line with yours than @MajorRage sadly. We've had multiple visits to NHS maternity care for various reasons, and the attitude is just "get you out of there as fast as possible and don't you dare ask questions." Really upsetting the lack of humanity by all the staff. Nonsense covid rules seem like an excuse to treat patients even worse. I get these poor staff are probably overwhelmed and underfunded etc, but it is a brutal experience.
I've found the GP service more than OK and out-patient stuff like scans and osteopaths quite good with the staff really helpful.
I hate to say it, but it seems the moment you come into contact with nursing staff, it all seems to go to pot. I've found the lack of feeling by a lot of hospital staff really hard to understand.
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@victor-meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@tewaio said in Coronavirus - UK:
@victor-meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@majorrage said in Coronavirus - UK:
Conclusion. It's far from perfect. Far from it. But the coalface workers have been incredible and amazing. Something to genuinely be proud of.
It's enough to make you turn a bit left.We've had the completely opposite experience from the coal-face workers. Yes, they smiled and said all the right things but the utter lack of care they gave to Mrs M's parents was so bad, they refused to go back to hospital for treatment. Some examples:
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We were given 36 hrs to arrange 24/7 care for two old people with dementia and Parkinsons. It was made clear an ambulance would deliver them back to their house whether care was in place or not.
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The "caring" staff never took notice of our requests that water, reading glasses and hearing aid were kept by his bedside. He was diagnosed with dehydration after he was discharged.
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They had been married for 65 years but when Mrs M's father asked how his wife was, they refused to answer any questions, quoting "data protection" - witnessed by other people.
I can only speak from our recent experience, but the contrast between the initial smiling, caring faces and reality was stark. They really didn't care.
My recent experience is much more in line with yours than @MajorRage sadly. We've had multiple visits to NHS maternity care for various reasons, and the attitude is just "get you out of there as fast as possible and don't you dare ask questions." Really upsetting the lack of humanity by all the staff. Nonsense covid rules seem like an excuse to treat patients even worse. I get these poor staff are probably overwhelmed and underfunded etc, but it is a brutal experience.
I've found the GP service more than OK and out-patient stuff like scans and osteopaths quite good with the staff really helpful.
I hate to say it, but it seems the moment you come into contact with nursing staff, it all seems to go to pot. I've found the lack of feeling by a lot of hospital staff really hard to understand.
I really think that this sort of thing is localised to individual hospitals. Most likely caused by indifferent or toxic management and quite possibly being overwhelmed for most of the time. Nursing in particular is not a career you get into for the money, it is much more vocational and it must take something pretty profound to knock that out of, not just the odd member of staff, but the whole bloody lot of them!
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@catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
@victor-meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@tewaio said in Coronavirus - UK:
@victor-meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@majorrage said in Coronavirus - UK:
Conclusion. It's far from perfect. Far from it. But the coalface workers have been incredible and amazing. Something to genuinely be proud of.
It's enough to make you turn a bit left.We've had the completely opposite experience from the coal-face workers. Yes, they smiled and said all the right things but the utter lack of care they gave to Mrs M's parents was so bad, they refused to go back to hospital for treatment. Some examples:
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We were given 36 hrs to arrange 24/7 care for two old people with dementia and Parkinsons. It was made clear an ambulance would deliver them back to their house whether care was in place or not.
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The "caring" staff never took notice of our requests that water, reading glasses and hearing aid were kept by his bedside. He was diagnosed with dehydration after he was discharged.
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They had been married for 65 years but when Mrs M's father asked how his wife was, they refused to answer any questions, quoting "data protection" - witnessed by other people.
I can only speak from our recent experience, but the contrast between the initial smiling, caring faces and reality was stark. They really didn't care.
My recent experience is much more in line with yours than @MajorRage sadly. We've had multiple visits to NHS maternity care for various reasons, and the attitude is just "get you out of there as fast as possible and don't you dare ask questions." Really upsetting the lack of humanity by all the staff. Nonsense covid rules seem like an excuse to treat patients even worse. I get these poor staff are probably overwhelmed and underfunded etc, but it is a brutal experience.
I've found the GP service more than OK and out-patient stuff like scans and osteopaths quite good with the staff really helpful.
I hate to say it, but it seems the moment you come into contact with nursing staff, it all seems to go to pot. I've found the lack of feeling by a lot of hospital staff really hard to understand.
I really think that this sort of thing is localised to individual hospitals. Most likely caused by indifferent or toxic management and quite possibly being overwhelmed for most of the time.
I'm not so sure. I think we've seen too often in too many hospitals for it to be localised thing. It's the medical staff themselves who are to blame for patient abuse and malpractice and not the management - as we saw at Mid-Staffs.
Nursing in particular is not a career you get into for the money, it is much more vocational
You'd be surprised. My daughter pulls in around £60k a year as an agency nurse.
and it must take something pretty profound to knock that out of, not just the odd member of staff, but the whole bloody lot of them!
It's a cultural thing? No-one really cares enough or is too scared to stand up when there's obvious and widespread malpractice and so it goes on. And whistle-blowers are often hung out to dry (or in the case of the the woman who exposed the Mid-Staffs cover-up, they get their homes and mothers grave vandalised).
And there's seemingly never any action taken against clinicians & nurses who ignore obvious symptoms of distress or are too incompetent to recognise them. The above can definitely be blamed on toxic NHS management
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@catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
@victor-meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@tewaio said in Coronavirus - UK:
@victor-meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@majorrage said in Coronavirus - UK:
Conclusion. It's far from perfect. Far from it. But the coalface workers have been incredible and amazing. Something to genuinely be proud of.
It's enough to make you turn a bit left.We've had the completely opposite experience from the coal-face workers. Yes, they smiled and said all the right things but the utter lack of care they gave to Mrs M's parents was so bad, they refused to go back to hospital for treatment. Some examples:
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We were given 36 hrs to arrange 24/7 care for two old people with dementia and Parkinsons. It was made clear an ambulance would deliver them back to their house whether care was in place or not.
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The "caring" staff never took notice of our requests that water, reading glasses and hearing aid were kept by his bedside. He was diagnosed with dehydration after he was discharged.
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They had been married for 65 years but when Mrs M's father asked how his wife was, they refused to answer any questions, quoting "data protection" - witnessed by other people.
I can only speak from our recent experience, but the contrast between the initial smiling, caring faces and reality was stark. They really didn't care.
My recent experience is much more in line with yours than @MajorRage sadly. We've had multiple visits to NHS maternity care for various reasons, and the attitude is just "get you out of there as fast as possible and don't you dare ask questions." Really upsetting the lack of humanity by all the staff. Nonsense covid rules seem like an excuse to treat patients even worse. I get these poor staff are probably overwhelmed and underfunded etc, but it is a brutal experience.
I've found the GP service more than OK and out-patient stuff like scans and osteopaths quite good with the staff really helpful.
I hate to say it, but it seems the moment you come into contact with nursing staff, it all seems to go to pot. I've found the lack of feeling by a lot of hospital staff really hard to understand.
I really think that this sort of thing is localised to individual hospitals. Most likely caused by indifferent or toxic management and quite possibly being overwhelmed for most of the time. Nursing in particular is not a career you get into for the money, it is much more vocational and it must take something pretty profound to knock that out of, not just the odd member of staff, but the whole bloody lot of them!
Yep. Bang on. Its very hard to shake the feeling of being resented. For being at the hospital, for being sick, for just existing. I find it really unsettling, and can't imagine how bad working conditions must be for the otherwise good people who get into that job, to become like that.
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Sorry guys but had follow up physio appointment yesterday for broken foot.
NHS staff were absolutely fantastic again. Incredibly helpful, caring and made my son feel at ease.
In other news en route to London this am and sitting beside somebody on the train for first time in 2 years. My local station really busy and we’ve be told Waterloo is as well.
Covid is done here.