Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022
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@canefan said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@chris said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@canefan said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@chris said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
Good 50 from Conway hopefully he goes on to 100 as well.
Defiantly a class Act Conway.His only real misstep in the BC was breaking his hand in the T20 semi
Yeah he been an awesome pick up for Us.
A couple of other SA around the domestic scene who are potential BC,s as well,
Personally I love watching Conway bat he is class.We loves Wags. Now we loves Conway too
I have from day one.
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Christ on a bike Black Caps where the fuck was this shit in the first test ?
Wonderful stuff from all involved. Nice return from Latham after a shit first test and the other two just continue doing the biz at test level. Normal service has resumed, still furious it was disrupted like it was though, they should not have beaten us.
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@chris I'm gonna sound unpopular and I don't even mind Latham, he's a decent opening bat but I'm not gonna lie, he's a minnow basher.
Give me Wright and Rigor any day.
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@african-monkey said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@chris I'm gonna sound unpopular and I don't even mind Latham, he's a decent opening bat but I'm not gonna lie, he's a minnow basher.
Give me Wright and Rigor any day.
He still has time to rack up hundies vs India and Oz.
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@african-monkey said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@chris I'm gonna sound unpopular and I don't even mind Latham, he's a decent opening bat but I'm not gonna lie, he's a minnow basher.
Give me Wright and Rigor any day.
He has 2 test hundreds v Pakistan , 1 v England when they were playing well.
He is still young so if he can get them against India and Australia maybe SA soon too.Still have to get them no matter who you play.
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We've certainly edged a lot through and over slips.
Also, the only time Conway looks like getting out is when he tries to reverse sweep. Just needs to put that shot away.
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@no-quarter said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
We've certainly edged a lot through and over slips.
Also, the only time Conway looks like getting out is when he tries to reverse sweep. Just needs to put that shot away.
You can get away with playing outside off if it’s slightly short at Hagley because of the pace and bounce.
I am sure it was a game plan to go hard it that area point and behind point,All the batsman have taken it on with hard hands today. -
349/1 after being put into bat. It doesn't get more dominant than that.
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@chris Yeah I get that, but he's 63 tests deep now and we need more from him against these bigger sides.
I really want him to succeed (and he has to a degree), but its time for him to take his game to the next level in the next few years and go from a decent opener to a world class opener as he has all the tools to become world class, as he is just as accomplished on both the back and front foot. Has a tendency to lose concentration against the bigger sides at times where he gifts his wicket away.
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@african-monkey said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@chris Yeah I get that, but he's 63 tests deep now and we need more from him against these bigger sides.
I really want him to succeed (and he has to a degree), but its time for him to take his game to the next level in the next few years and go from a decent opener to a world class opener as he has all the tools to become world class, as he is just as accomplished on both the back and front foot. Has a tendency to lose concentration against the bigger sides at times where he gifts his wicket away.
Fair Point mate
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@african-monkey said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@chris Yeah I get that, but he's 63 tests deep now and we need more from him against these bigger sides.
I really want him to succeed (and he has to a degree), but its time for him to take his game to the next level in the next few years and go from a decent opener to a world class opener as he has all the tools to become world class, as he is just as accomplished on both the back and front foot. Has a tendency to lose concentration against the bigger sides at times where he gifts his wicket away.
He has “to a degree?” What more do you need ?
Currently sitting eighth on the list of best test batting average for the Black Caps, of all time……42.50…..bear in mind this is as an opener so it’s historically much tougher to get a high number than other positions. 12 test hundreds which is 4th equal…..( only KW, Crowe and Taylor clear of him )
30 years old and lots of years left…..yes he hasn’t scored big against some opponents but as someone else said look how historically shite so many of our openers have been. You can also pick and choose stats to talk up, or talk down any player.
Given we have Kane having the next Hobbs, Sutcliffe, Gavaskar or Hayden playing at the same time might be a stretch
He’s an absolute champ in my eyes.
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@mn5 He's good enough to become a world class opener, so why be content with what He's done? I'm sure he himself knows this, and yes, stats don't lie, but they don't tell a full story either.
His record is similar to guys like Dean Elgar and Karunaratne, 2 guys who make the most of their limitations but aren't as good as Latham imo. Tamim Iqbal is in the same boat as Latham but his problem throughout his career has been a lack of a brain. Latham, as I said in an earlier post, has been lapses of concentration against bigger sides so far in his career.
My point is, is that guys like Latham and Iqbal should be averaging 45+ as they're both good enough to.
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@african-monkey said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@chris Yeah I get that, but he's 63 tests deep now and we need more from him against these bigger sides.
I really want him to succeed (and he has to a degree), but its time for him to take his game to the next level in the next few years and go from a decent opener to a world class opener as he has all the tools to become world class, as he is just as accomplished on both the back and front foot. Has a tendency to lose concentration against the bigger sides at times where he gifts his wicket away.
Good on him for cashing in here, but it's hard to see him in our best ever team at this stage.
He averages under 30 against Aussie, which IMO, is the defining criteria for us.
Taking out the Zimbos and Bangles, he's still behind a few and I doubt he'll get close to them.
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@gt12 said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@african-monkey said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@chris Yeah I get that, but he's 63 tests deep now and we need more from him against these bigger sides.
I really want him to succeed (and he has to a degree), but its time for him to take his game to the next level in the next few years and go from a decent opener to a world class opener as he has all the tools to become world class, as he is just as accomplished on both the back and front foot. Has a tendency to lose concentration against the bigger sides at times where he gifts his wicket away.
Good on him for cashing in here, but it's hard to see him in our best ever team at this stage.
He averages under 30 against Aussie, which IMO, is the defining criteria for us.
Taking out the Zimbos and Bangles, he's still behind a few and I doubt he'll get close to them.
Yeah but some of these stats were not exactly against vintage Australian teams, in some cases far from it. Rigor averaged 22, not surprising when up against McGrath, Warne and whoever else. Wright and Edgar did ok against some comparatively weak teams. Turner did very well though.
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@kiwibloke said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@kiwibloke said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@kiwibloke said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
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@kiwibloke said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
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@donsteppa said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
Bangladesh win the toss and bowl.
Mitchell in for Ravindra. Which, on recent form, makes the middle order seem a bit stronger.
Acid is on the top six to make starts and build on them. And a much improved performance with the ball is needed from Southee and Jamieson.
To me they’re similar in that they’re competent batsmen but next to nothing bowlers at this level. Judging by their first class stats they both average about a wicket or so per match. No where near good enough.
Calling either of them true All rounders is a massive stretch.
Still rate Mitchell a better bowling option than Ravindra on any deck at this stage & Mitchell has also scored a couple of test hundreds too, which also makes our batting stronger.
I suppose Mitch could become that Styris/Astle/McMillan type. Not world class as a batsman but a useful change bowler when needed as all those three were. They did play in an era where we expected less though.
Yeah, Mitchell isn't going to be a world class all-rounder... we're still looking for one, we've had plenty of top all-rounders before, so we should be able to find another one in the near future.
Our batting was very tentative in the first test... good to see that their movements are much more positive, moving the feet well, getting in line with the ball & leaving when needed.
It's ridiculous when batsmen leave the ball & get cleaned bowled or LBW... if you feel the ball is threatening your stumps get in line with it & play with soft hands so there's not much chance of the ball carrying to the keeper or slips.
I don’t reckon. They’re pretty scarce at the best of times and when Mitchell Starc is rated fifth best in the world you know that there’s a dearth of talent all over the world. Another Cairns, Vettori or especially Paddles would be great but don’t hold your breath.
India are just being greedy with Jadeja and Ashwin playing at the same time.
You're probably right - just such a big asset to have a top all-rounder in your side... yeah, don't see Starc as much of an all-rounder, he's basically a bloody slogger with the bat.
Those two calls by the umpire were shockers... the Banglas must have given him a gold watch
All rounder is a term that’s thrown round far too liberally. I think there’s only Holder, Al Hasan, Jadeja, Ashwin and Stokes playing now that deserve the label.
Paddles himself admitted he was really only “just” an all rounder given his record with the bat.
Yeah, a true all-rounder has the ability to consistently make a big diff to his team with either bat or ball... Hadlee's batting was very handy for us when we needed runs quickly, the bloke was a superb striker of the ball, it was unusual how he bowled right-handed, but use to bat left-handed.
Not usual but not necessarily that unheard of for bowler to bat the wrong way around.
Without thinking too hard I can name:
Martin Sneddon
Gary Troupe (both contemporaries of Hadlee)
Stuart Broad
Ben Stokes
Jimmy Anderson
Trent BoultThere are others but that would require research.
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@booboo said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@kiwibloke said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@kiwibloke said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@kiwibloke said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@kiwibloke said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@donsteppa said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
Bangladesh win the toss and bowl.
Mitchell in for Ravindra. Which, on recent form, makes the middle order seem a bit stronger.
Acid is on the top six to make starts and build on them. And a much improved performance with the ball is needed from Southee and Jamieson.
To me they’re similar in that they’re competent batsmen but next to nothing bowlers at this level. Judging by their first class stats they both average about a wicket or so per match. No where near good enough.
Calling either of them true All rounders is a massive stretch.
Still rate Mitchell a better bowling option than Ravindra on any deck at this stage & Mitchell has also scored a couple of test hundreds too, which also makes our batting stronger.
I suppose Mitch could become that Styris/Astle/McMillan type. Not world class as a batsman but a useful change bowler when needed as all those three were. They did play in an era where we expected less though.
Yeah, Mitchell isn't going to be a world class all-rounder... we're still looking for one, we've had plenty of top all-rounders before, so we should be able to find another one in the near future.
Our batting was very tentative in the first test... good to see that their movements are much more positive, moving the feet well, getting in line with the ball & leaving when needed.
It's ridiculous when batsmen leave the ball & get cleaned bowled or LBW... if you feel the ball is threatening your stumps get in line with it & play with soft hands so there's not much chance of the ball carrying to the keeper or slips.
I don’t reckon. They’re pretty scarce at the best of times and when Mitchell Starc is rated fifth best in the world you know that there’s a dearth of talent all over the world. Another Cairns, Vettori or especially Paddles would be great but don’t hold your breath.
India are just being greedy with Jadeja and Ashwin playing at the same time.
You're probably right - just such a big asset to have a top all-rounder in your side... yeah, don't see Starc as much of an all-rounder, he's basically a bloody slogger with the bat.
Those two calls by the umpire were shockers... the Banglas must have given him a gold watch
All rounder is a term that’s thrown round far too liberally. I think there’s only Holder, Al Hasan, Jadeja, Ashwin and Stokes playing now that deserve the label.
Paddles himself admitted he was really only “just” an all rounder given his record with the bat.
Yeah, a true all-rounder has the ability to consistently make a big diff to his team with either bat or ball... Hadlee's batting was very handy for us when we needed runs quickly, the bloke was a superb striker of the ball, it was unusual how he bowled right-handed, but use to bat left-handed.
Not usual but not necessarily that unheard of for bowler to bat the wrong way around.
Without thinking too hard I can name:
Martin Sneddon
Gary Troupe (both contemporaries of Hadlee)
Stuart Broad
Ben Stokes
Jimmy Anderson
Trent BoultThere are others but that would require research.
Good list, can add Chris Harris as well.
