Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@tim said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@siam you have absolutely no ability to make such an “inference”, so don’t post your dumb bullshit.
Ability? I can type can't I? 😉
Tim, I was honestly of the belief, from the brit ferners discussion, that the civil harms are more of a vaccine motivator than the death and ICU harms. Truly.
I put my hand up, spouted a thought and was efficiently and properly corrected by the people I spouted to- about their lives. I was wrong. Totally on me. My bad. And the boys politely told me. I learned that things in nz are different to things in south Australia. That's all.
And, so I conclude ( might be wrong, it's only a thought) that if unvaccinated people had no restrictions on travel, gatherings, work, etc. If the vaccine was purely optional with no repercussions for opting out whatsoever, then the folks above would still opt to get the jab because of health reasons.
That's great mate! That's the evidence of an effective vaccine at work. That's ideal.
And something I learned on the fern.
It's all good mate, sheath your exclamation marks😁
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@siam said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Good luck over there. I sincerely hope you make it through the next 6-12 months withoutdying of covid.
Be safe, kia kahaWell that is a pretty fucking condescending thing to say.
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@taniwharugby i see that mate, didn't mean it to be as dodgy as it came out.
With so many vaccinated people surviving covid so effectively I think the only danger is death or ICU. I mean with no long term data the outcomes are pretty much just recover, hospitalised and death aren't they?
Aghh, I still sound condescending. Look, please, sincerely good luck over there, it's obviously a hell of a challenge and I wish you well in NZ. I am worried about the situation in nz, a lot of the world is, but you guys will sort it. -
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@siam not quite right for me.
It was a few months back when a few people in thier early 40s, fit and healthy died of Covid and made headlines that prompted me to go for it, despite having the annual flu vaccine only once in over 20 years.
The counterargument is that the numbers of seriously ill fit people in that age bracket are low. But like you I don't want to take the risk I end up in that minority who get really sick
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Regardless of your viewpoint about the medical merits of vaccination for the individual, the government is not going to loosen restrictions until we hit the level. Complain all you want about civil liberties, government overreach, that is our reality so if we want freedom that is the price right now and nothing is going to change that
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@siam said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life yep, exactly.
And not one person on here got the vaccine primarily for health benefits.
What a situation: take a widely distributed experimental vaccine because it saves you more from the government, than the actual pathogenic virus.
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Hmm. Speaking as a 53yo with comorbidities ... primarily? ... yeah well ... my sense of responsibility to the wellbeing of my fellow citizens was up there too.
Selfish desires for travel definitely third though.
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@siam said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
With so many vaccinated people surviving covid so effectively I think the only danger is death or ICU. I mean with no long term data the outcomes are pretty much just recover, hospitalised and death aren't they?
You do accept that being vaccinated dramatically reduces the risk of hospitalization or death - don't you?
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@frank absolutely frank. It's the best, perhaps only benefit of vaccinating. It's a game changer and very welcome as one covid decreasing tool. Shame they couldn't nail the transmission aspect but thank God for what they have achieved.
Thing is, literally hundreds of millions of people have survived covid, ( most without vaccines) and are getting on with life. That's the context where I start from.
I also think, in 2 years time, everyone in nz and Oz is going to have a covid story much like the majority in the US have covid stories. I'm thankful that NZ has the vaccine to lessen symptoms and eagerly await overdue strategies and procedures for early and effective treatment upon infection. When they do that, we're really on the way out of this pandemic
That'd make for better covid stories🙂
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The acid will be on the government soon. If we do our part to reach to 90, and with 71% fully vaxxed, up there with some of the better cities in the world, its time for them to do their part and set us free
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Based on the interview Jacinda did with Ryan on the am show a week ago? Definitely
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@siam There's Long Covid - vaccination seems to reduce that by 50% (https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58410354) as well.
I feel like what's missing from a lot of the vaccination debate is that in many cases, individual diseases are not that bad on the numbers - it's the cumulative impact that makes it worth it. Don't get me wrong - some diseases are terrible like smallpox and diphtheria, but others are probably no worse than, or not even as bad as Covid on a population level, but we vaccinate anyway as a public health measure.
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I have had both jabs. But I wasn't totally happy doing it. I have no idea what I would have done had the restrictions been lifted at 50% and if I was unjabbed at the time. Would I have pushed on? Honestly I don't know.
I'm not particularly frightened of getting Covid, being lucky to have no underlying health issues at the moment.
I'm also not quite convinced that unvaccinated people create too much of a concern for vaccinated people, is there a body of evidence on that somewhere?
As best as I can see it, we can all catch and transmit this thing, but if you're worried about the effects on you personally, then you should absolutely have the jab.
Yeah there is an effect on hospitals and ICU etc, but that's a dangerous line to play given other societal issues we tolerate.
We have not gotten our 12yr old vaxxed, and don't I tend to rush that. Certainly we don't want to vax the 11yr old girl
Not a very useful post sorry!
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@voodoo The vaxxed vs un-vaxxed transmission stuff is borderline debunked imo and thats the only real reason to mandate work places.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10654-021-00808-7
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.09.28.21264260v1.full
Key quote in this one "Transmission reductions declined over time since second vaccination, for Delta reaching similar levels to unvaccinated individuals by 12 weeks for ChAdOx1 and attenuating substantially for BNT162b2."
Not peer-reviewed so not 100% but i havent seen much hard stuff on transmission.
Basically prepeare to get covid.
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@billy-tell Taika will be in shortly on an exemption - good PR.
Both the wife and I got jabbed. If my kids were over 12 I’d do my own research and decide.
What I wouldn’t do is not get jabbed until there was a huge jab party complete with princess, princess fawning media, free kfc / sports tickets & partys. Because I cannot comprehend the attitude of non vaxers having a change of heart for “super” Saturday.