Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@siam said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life yep, exactly.
And not one person on here got the vaccine primarily for health benefits.
What a situation: take a widely distributed experimental vaccine because it saves you more from the government, than the actual pathogenic virus.
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Hmm. Speaking as a 53yo with comorbidities ... primarily? ... yeah well ... my sense of responsibility to the wellbeing of my fellow citizens was up there too.
Selfish desires for travel definitely third though.
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@siam said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
With so many vaccinated people surviving covid so effectively I think the only danger is death or ICU. I mean with no long term data the outcomes are pretty much just recover, hospitalised and death aren't they?
You do accept that being vaccinated dramatically reduces the risk of hospitalization or death - don't you?
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@frank absolutely frank. It's the best, perhaps only benefit of vaccinating. It's a game changer and very welcome as one covid decreasing tool. Shame they couldn't nail the transmission aspect but thank God for what they have achieved.
Thing is, literally hundreds of millions of people have survived covid, ( most without vaccines) and are getting on with life. That's the context where I start from.
I also think, in 2 years time, everyone in nz and Oz is going to have a covid story much like the majority in the US have covid stories. I'm thankful that NZ has the vaccine to lessen symptoms and eagerly await overdue strategies and procedures for early and effective treatment upon infection. When they do that, we're really on the way out of this pandemic
That'd make for better covid storiesđ
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The acid will be on the government soon. If we do our part to reach to 90, and with 71% fully vaxxed, up there with some of the better cities in the world, its time for them to do their part and set us free
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Based on the interview Jacinda did with Ryan on the am show a week ago? Definitely
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@siam There's Long Covid - vaccination seems to reduce that by 50% (https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58410354) as well.
I feel like what's missing from a lot of the vaccination debate is that in many cases, individual diseases are not that bad on the numbers - it's the cumulative impact that makes it worth it. Don't get me wrong - some diseases are terrible like smallpox and diphtheria, but others are probably no worse than, or not even as bad as Covid on a population level, but we vaccinate anyway as a public health measure.
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I have had both jabs. But I wasn't totally happy doing it. I have no idea what I would have done had the restrictions been lifted at 50% and if I was unjabbed at the time. Would I have pushed on? Honestly I don't know.
I'm not particularly frightened of getting Covid, being lucky to have no underlying health issues at the moment.
I'm also not quite convinced that unvaccinated people create too much of a concern for vaccinated people, is there a body of evidence on that somewhere?
As best as I can see it, we can all catch and transmit this thing, but if you're worried about the effects on you personally, then you should absolutely have the jab.
Yeah there is an effect on hospitals and ICU etc, but that's a dangerous line to play given other societal issues we tolerate.
We have not gotten our 12yr old vaxxed, and don't I tend to rush that. Certainly we don't want to vax the 11yr old girl
Not a very useful post sorry!
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@voodoo The vaxxed vs un-vaxxed transmission stuff is borderline debunked imo and thats the only real reason to mandate work places.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10654-021-00808-7
Key quote in this one "Transmission reductions declined over time since second vaccination, for Delta reaching similar levels to unvaccinated individuals by 12 weeks for ChAdOx1 and attenuating substantially for BNT162b2."
Not peer-reviewed so not 100% but i havent seen much hard stuff on transmission.
Basically prepeare to get covid.
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@billy-tell Taika will be in shortly on an exemption - good PR.
Both the wife and I got jabbed. If my kids were over 12 Iâd do my own research and decide.
What I wouldnât do is not get jabbed until there was a huge jab party complete with princess, princess fawning media, free kfc / sports tickets & partys. Because I cannot comprehend the attitude of non vaxers having a change of heart for âsuperâ Saturday.
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@booboo nah Auckland is at Level 2.95a, Northland and parts of Waikato Level 3.
Most stuff I saw on TV people were in cars, masks, social distanced etc...fun as day for some apparently, I mowed lawns, went for a run, no prizes for me đ
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@booboo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
It's just occurred to me.
These events were NZ wide including Auckland right?
Auckland's been in lockdown right?
Good excuse to get out of the house.
Or am I missing something?
We can leave the house. Spent much of the weekend on playdates with the kids in the park
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So heard Bloomfield being a little joy germ on the radio this morning.
It's great that we are almost at 90% first jab in Akl
.... but....
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the target is 90% double jabbed
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if we get to 90 first jab this week then there should be a 3 week delay until we hit the fully vaccinated target
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then there's two weeks for the protection to kick in.
So we are talking 6 weeks Ashley - right?
...but...
there's still the rest of NZ to consider. Until the whole country is double jabbed (plus two weeks) the Auckland borders have to stay in place
...but...
With a R rate above 1 vaccinations are only part of the control strategy
I think his dancing must have shaken something loose in Bloomfield's noggin. How easy is it to keep Akl in isolation when it doesn't affect you directly?
After nine weeks of this I shudder to think how people in Melbourne or much of the northern hemisphere coped with longer lockdowns.
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@dogmeat wasnt his submission to Govt for locking the borders up completely last year?
Guess his perspective is just one factor, while a considerable one, has little to do with the economy, mental or social wellbeing (well it impacts these considerably, but what he is advising on is what I mean)
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The general mood in my little part of Auckland is that we are holding up our end and it will soon be time for the government to hold up theirs. Will be interesting to see how things go if they move the goalposts again and keep us in L3 longer and longer