All Blacks vs Springboks II
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Tough watches :
Weber battling against three Springbok forwards with Moody and Retallick watching the scene only five meters away and doing nothing.
Aumua's LO throw straight into Kitshoff's hands.
Ref wrongly penalizing Beauden Barrett inside the Boks 22 when the ABs were leading 20 to 11. This was a key moment IMO.
ABs scrum.
ABs lineout.
ABs last two minutes.
ABs bench (with the notable exception of Blackadder who was adequate).
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@machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@akan004 said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@cgrant Yeah, should have been a 23-11 half time score instead of 20-14. How could a professional ref get that so wrong.
He did that twice, would've been twice, would've been 26-11 just after half time
We would have destroyed them from 26-11. No way would they have been able to come back from that margin against a confident ABs outfit and we would have continued to pile on the points.
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@akan004 said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@akan004 said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@cgrant Yeah, should have been a 23-11 half time score instead of 20-14. How could a professional ref get that so wrong.
He did that twice, would've been twice, would've been 26-11 just after half time
We would have destroyed them from 26-11. No way would they have been able to come back from that margin against a confident ABs outfit and we would have continued to pile on the points.
It was a game changer, still good that we lost cos it puts front and centre foster's AB's deficiencies. No excuses now, going forward. Not that Foster will be able to overcome them*, but it is not like he doesn't know where the team needs to be.
- See all the pre-2020 test talk about dealing with the physcality from the coaching group - YEAH RIGHT
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Some poor penalty calls either way and it is frustrating when they don't balance out but refs are going to make those and you have to get past them.
For me a couple of major calls/non-calls that should be topics in the after match review.
I can't remember the minute etc but there was a bok kick that we didn't clean up well, ended up under pressure at the back and gave away 3. When the kick was made I thought we must have been under advantage to see how things cleared out because the primary bok chaser was about 10 metres in front of the kicker. Wasn't picked up by any of the refs but was really obvious. That had me baffled.
The other was the non-YC for the 'intercept attempt'. That was plainly a cop out call.Maybe the problem is with the process because it seemed that the key for the ref was like a PT call whereby any opposition defender gets called as 'covering' and once he saw that he dismissed the YC call altogether despite there being a three on one overlap that would have likely created a breakout run well into opposition territory with support runners.
I sure bok fans have their gripes too.BTW, (I havent read the thread) does anyone know who that fucktard waterboy was? Not only did he do the shit that got the ref warning him but at the end of the game inserted himself into the post-match handshakes before the players had completed. Needs taking behind the sheds for a talking to.
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@crucial said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
BTW, (I havent read the thread) does anyone know who that fucktard waterboy was? Not only did he do the shit that got the ref warning him but at the end of the game inserted himself into the post-match handshakes before the players had completed. Needs taking behind the sheds for a talking to.
That was absolutely horrific. Nienaber has copped to it -- but no matter whether they were right or not, I think the ref would have been justified in throwing them out. Running after a TJ and shouting at them is some football level shittery.
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@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
What’s wrong with this picture (clue: players on ground are BB and BBBR)?Dunno. Pray tell.
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@machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@akan004 said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@akan004 said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@cgrant Yeah, should have been a 23-11 half time score instead of 20-14. How could a professional ref get that so wrong.
He did that twice, would've been twice, would've been 26-11 just after half time
We would have destroyed them from 26-11. No way would they have been able to come back from that margin against a confident ABs outfit and we would have continued to pile on the points.
It was a game changer, still good that we lost cos it puts front and centre foster's AB's deficiencies. No excuses now, going forward. Not that Foster will be able to overcome them*, but it is not like he doesn't know where the team needs to be.
- See all the pre-2020 test talk about dealing with the physcality from the coaching group - YEAH RIGHT
I'm struggling with your logic here.
Better to lose due to a bad referees call because that distorts Foster's actual ability ...
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@oompb said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@crucial Jessie Kriel.
Should know better then.
And support staff (whether part of the touring squad or not) should not jump into the handshakes until after the players have done. Just bad manners. -
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@majorrage said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Ref whinging?
Blimey. I’ll look at the AB forwards getting destroyed first.
Don't think anyone is making excuses. Just a point of discussion.
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@majorrage said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Ref whinging?
Blimey. I’ll look at the AB forwards getting destroyed first.
I'm with @Crucial on this one.
We didn't lose because of the ref, but discussing his performance is useful and relevant.
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@crucial said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@majorrage said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Ref whinging?
Blimey. I’ll look at the AB forwards getting destroyed first.
Don't think anyone is making excuses. Just a point of discussion.
You can still discuss this aspect of the game without it being whingeing.We came within a minute and point of winning - despite getting our arse handed to us.
Ref calls at time were average, but on the balance, favoured us.
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@majorrage said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@crucial said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@majorrage said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Ref whinging?
Blimey. I’ll look at the AB forwards getting destroyed first.
Don't think anyone is making excuses. Just a point of discussion.
You can still discuss this aspect of the game without it being whingeing.We came within a minute and point of winning - despite getting our arse handed to us.
Ref calls at time were average, but on the balance, favoured us.
I'm not so sure. There were a number of calls which cost us points. He certainly got more and more erratic as the game went on
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@majorrage said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@crucial said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@majorrage said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Ref whinging?
Blimey. I’ll look at the AB forwards getting destroyed first.
Don't think anyone is making excuses. Just a point of discussion.
You can still discuss this aspect of the game without it being whingeing.We came within a minute and point of winning - despite getting our arse handed to us.
Ref calls at time were average, but on the balance, favoured us.
I deliberately didn't equate any talk of the reffing to the outcome and mentioned that I was sure that Saffa fans would likely have there own opinions as well.
Maybe there should be a separate thread to discuss law interpretations being used in games or something?
It's very easy to dismiss the reffing contribution as 'that's not why X lost' when it is an interesting part of the game
