All Blacks vs Springboks II
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@bovidae said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Chris
I am only talking about what TJP (mainly) and Mo'unga should have done from the scrum on halfway. Nothing more. Savea made a great run off a retreating scrum and then the percentage play was to kick behind SA and force them to run or kick the ball back. I certainly aren't absolving the forwards in that passage of play.Which is why the Blacks should have won. There seems to be an inability to realise when it’s the time to play percentages.
We kick into Bok 22 and it’s 99% we win.
🤷🏽♂️
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@chris said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Our tight 5 is not as good as the Boks 5. Work to do
Our tight five was 100 times worse when our subs came on.
Yup. Our forwards just aren't there right now. Lots of young guys, a few past their best. And they put it all together tonight
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@old-samurai-jack said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Don't think we played badly. The Boks were the Boks. It is an indication of where we are at. Plenty of growth and work ons needed. Onwards and upwards!
Agree. I posted last year in that positive and uplifting Foster thread, that there will be plenty of ups and downs over the next couple of years as the new coaching set up and quite a few new players find their way.
There were some really good moments in tonight’s game, but plenty of poor as well. Some good moments from the Boks too.
I hope we aren’t too down, I hate losing to the Boks more than any other team, but what I do love about rugby is that two very contrasting styles can produce such a close encounter like that. Steyn’s 50/22, Jordie’s ice in his veins goal kicks, we attack down the left side and seem to make metres, a bounce of the ball, an error, a lapse in concentration.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@no-quarter said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Anyway, thanks all, the game thread was great value as always. Tough result but happy to give the Boks credit for really stepping up, when they play like that they are a bloody hard team to overcome.
Agreed. I don't want to take away from a Bok performance tonight that smothered us and dominated the source of our game; quick ball at the breakdown.
Do ABs train ball protection? Boks get one or two on knees or almost so.
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@chris said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Our tight 5 is not as good as the Boks 5. Work to do
Our tight five was 100 times worse when our subs came on.
Yup. Our forwards just aren't there right now. Lots of young guys, a few past their best. And they put it all together tonight
We need Whitelock and cane back and hope next Super Rugby season some young tight fives with mongrel turn up.
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@chris said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@chris said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Our tight 5 is not as good as the Boks 5. Work to do
Our tight five was 100 times worse when our subs came on.
Yup. Our forwards just aren't there right now. Lots of young guys, a few past their best. And they put it all together tonight
We need Whitelock and cane back and hope next Super Rugby season some young tight fives with mongrel turn up.
And the guys that are there need to raise their level
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@chris said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@chris said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Our tight 5 is not as good as the Boks 5. Work to do
Our tight five was 100 times worse when our subs came on.
Yup. Our forwards just aren't there right now. Lots of young guys, a few past their best. And they put it all together tonight
We need Whitelock and cane back and hope next Super Rugby season some young tight fives with mongrel turn up.
Cane or even Papalii would have been good to have tonight.
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@chris said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@chris said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Our tight 5 is not as good as the Boks 5. Work to do
Our tight five was 100 times worse when our subs came on.
Yup. Our forwards just aren't there right now. Lots of young guys, a few past their best. And they put it all together tonight
We need Whitelock and cane back and hope next Super Rugby season some young tight fives with mongrel turn up.
And the guys that are there need to raise their level
Can they ?,thats what worries me.
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@chris said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@chris said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@chris said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Our tight 5 is not as good as the Boks 5. Work to do
Our tight five was 100 times worse when our subs came on.
Yup. Our forwards just aren't there right now. Lots of young guys, a few past their best. And they put it all together tonight
We need Whitelock and cane back and hope next Super Rugby season some young tight fives with mongrel turn up.
And the guys that are there need to raise their level
Can they ?,thats what worries me.
It's up to Foster to work that out
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@chris said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@chris said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@chris said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Our tight 5 is not as good as the Boks 5. Work to do
Our tight five was 100 times worse when our subs came on.
Yup. Our forwards just aren't there right now. Lots of young guys, a few past their best. And they put it all together tonight
We need Whitelock and cane back and hope next Super Rugby season some young tight fives with mongrel turn up.
And the guys that are there need to raise their level
Can they ?,thats what worries me.
It's up to Foster to work that out
That is why I am worried.
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@tim said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Havili/ALB midfield lacks a ball carrier. We really could do with a physical 12.
Definitely lacked penetration
To me ALB and Havili are the same type of player. Not the ideal partnership.
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@no-quarter said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@chris said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@bovidae said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@chris said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
How the fuck was it Moungas fault, He had no control with TJ barking shit from
The base .He needed to demand the ball from that ruck and TJP give it to him. As I said play territory and kick into the corner with time nearly up. You know, like in the 2015 RWC SF.
FFS yeah blame the guy who was on for 15 minutes not the Fuck wits who played most of the game.
Mo'unga isn't the reason we lost, not in a million years, but the fact is a player like DC would have taken control of that last 15. Mo'unga didn't. We don't have a world class 10 at the moment and it hurts us in tight games like this.
I'll give him a pass. He hasn't played for weeks. It was ridiculous throwing him in then and expecting him save the game. That BB kick broke me btw. That was instant replacement bad.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@no-quarter said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@chris said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@bovidae said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@chris said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
How the fuck was it Moungas fault, He had no control with TJ barking shit from
The base .He needed to demand the ball from that ruck and TJP give it to him. As I said play territory and kick into the corner with time nearly up. You know, like in the 2015 RWC SF.
FFS yeah blame the guy who was on for 15 minutes not the Fuck wits who played most of the game.
Mo'unga isn't the reason we lost, not in a million years, but the fact is a player like DC would have taken control of that last 15. Mo'unga didn't. We don't have a world class 10 at the moment and it hurts us in tight games like this.
I'll give him a pass. He hasn't played for weeks. It was ridiculous throwing him in then and expecting him save the game. That BB kick broke me btw. That was instant replacement bad.
Yep fair call.
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@kev said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@tim said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Havili/ALB midfield lacks a ball carrier. We really could do with a physical 12.
Definitely lacked penetration
To me ALB and Havili are the same type of player. Not the ideal partnership.
Laumape couldn't nail it down. We need to find that power player
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@tim said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Havili/ALB midfield lacks a ball carrier. We really could do with a physical 12.
Havili is simply not a top class 12. He's done ok but he's not a long-term solution.
