All Blacks 2021
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@arhs said in All Blacks 2021:
Confirmation of number 1 ranking:
Men's Rankings
Updated: 20 September, 2021
2021
September
Monday 20th
Full Rankings
Position Teams Points
1 (2) New Zealand 91.15
2 (1) South Africa 90.95Interesting we got there by beating Argentina while Boks are left to ponder how Australians drag just about everyone else down
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@bones said in All Blacks 2021:
@arhs booooo. I wanted to take it off them this weekend.
Home game for us this weekend, so I assume they could take it straight back off us? Would that possibly be the shortest lived 1 ranking?
There are a few 1 weeks at top during the last RWC, equal shortest then. Home or away, we're so close in points whomever wins is top, same next weekend, I think
World Rugby are morons, we got this ranking because Australia beat South Africa in Australia, which counted as a home game for SA, the same for Argentina last weekend. There is a neutral venue option for NZ/arg and NZ/SA but nope.
Edit: in fact Argentina and SA never had games at home even planned!
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
Might have been his best game in black. He did everything that was asked of him and more, without the brain farts that have plagued him in the past
I'm going to allow myself a farking great portion of smug satisfaction. His class was always there but for whatever reason some were willing to write him off age 19. It just goes to show that players mature, develop and improve. Writing anyone off that young is simply idiotic.
It's particularly ironic that of the 2 players who were written off as "shit" very young, one is now the captain and the other played a blinder and saved the game last week.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
Might have been his best game in black. He did everything that was asked of him and more, without the brain farts that have plagued him in the past
I'm going to allow myself a farking great portion of smug satisfaction. His class was always there but for whatever reason some were willing to write him off age 19. It just goes to show that players mature, develop and improve. Writing anyone off that young is simply idiotic.
It's particularly ironic that of the 2 players who were written off as "shit" very young, one is now the captain and the other played a blinder and saved the game last week.
was savea written on on here as shit? he started before my time on TSF
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@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
Might have been his best game in black. He did everything that was asked of him and more, without the brain farts that have plagued him in the past
I'm going to allow myself a farking great portion of smug satisfaction. His class was always there but for whatever reason some were willing to write him off age 19. It just goes to show that players mature, develop and improve. Writing anyone off that young is simply idiotic.
It's particularly ironic that of the 2 players who were written off as "shit" very young, one is now the captain and the other played a blinder and saved the game last week.
was savea written on on here as shit? he started before my time on TSF
Big time.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
Might have been his best game in black. He did everything that was asked of him and more, without the brain farts that have plagued him in the past
I'm going to allow myself a farking great portion of smug satisfaction. His class was always there but for whatever reason some were willing to write him off age 19. It just goes to show that players mature, develop and improve. Writing anyone off that young is simply idiotic.
It's particularly ironic that of the 2 players who were written off as "shit" very young, one is now the captain and the other played a blinder and saved the game last week.
I think generally , we( the public ) go too early writing young players off ,
Nonu was probably the one that stands out the most for me , man didnt he prove some people wrong
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
Might have been his best game in black. He did everything that was asked of him and more, without the brain farts that have plagued him in the past
I'm going to allow myself a farking great portion of smug satisfaction. His class was always there but for whatever reason some were willing to write him off age 19. It just goes to show that players mature, develop and improve. Writing anyone off that young is simply idiotic.
It's particularly ironic that of the 2 players who were written off as "shit" very young, one is now the captain and the other played a blinder and saved the game last week.
I think generally , we( the public ) go too early writing young players off ,
Nonu was probably the one that stands out the most for me , man didnt he prove some people wrong
Doesn't mean that they weren't poke when they weren't liked by the public either. PLayers can improve
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@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
Might have been his best game in black. He did everything that was asked of him and more, without the brain farts that have plagued him in the past
I'm going to allow myself a farking great portion of smug satisfaction. His class was always there but for whatever reason some were willing to write him off age 19. It just goes to show that players mature, develop and improve. Writing anyone off that young is simply idiotic.
It's particularly ironic that of the 2 players who were written off as "shit" very young, one is now the captain and the other played a blinder and saved the game last week.
was savea written on on here as shit? he started before my time on TSF
Saying he's not as good as McCaw or Cane doesn't mean he was written off.
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@nepia i didn;t write him off or say he had been, i was asking
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@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@nepia i didn;t write him off or say he had been, i was asking
Yeah, I know, I was just providing the counterpoint to the belief he was written off.
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@nepia said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
Might have been his best game in black. He did everything that was asked of him and more, without the brain farts that have plagued him in the past
I'm going to allow myself a farking great portion of smug satisfaction. His class was always there but for whatever reason some were willing to write him off age 19. It just goes to show that players mature, develop and improve. Writing anyone off that young is simply idiotic.
It's particularly ironic that of the 2 players who were written off as "shit" very young, one is now the captain and the other played a blinder and saved the game last week.
was savea written on on here as shit? he started before my time on TSF
Saying he's not as good as McCaw or Cane doesn't mean he was written off.
Which would be nice if that was the way it was argued. Which it most certainly wasn't. It's not a counterpoint it's pure nonsense. He was straight out referred to as shit and not good enough.
"Yeah Ardie's good but not McCaw good." Is an argument used by no one ever.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@nepia said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
Might have been his best game in black. He did everything that was asked of him and more, without the brain farts that have plagued him in the past
I'm going to allow myself a farking great portion of smug satisfaction. His class was always there but for whatever reason some were willing to write him off age 19. It just goes to show that players mature, develop and improve. Writing anyone off that young is simply idiotic.
It's particularly ironic that of the 2 players who were written off as "shit" very young, one is now the captain and the other played a blinder and saved the game last week.
was savea written on on here as shit? he started before my time on TSF
Saying he's not as good as McCaw or Cane doesn't mean he was written off.
Which would be nice if that was the way it was argued. Which it most certainly wasn't. It's not a counterpoint it's pure nonsense. He was straight out referred to as shit and not good enough.
"Yeah Ardie's good but not McCaw good." Is an argument used by no one ever.
Nah, there's never been a groundswell on here against Ardie not being good enough. Maybe the odd posters but you get that with nearly every player.
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One thing TSF is terribly good at is straw man arguments.
It's entirely fine and proper to point out a player isn't up to Test rugby at that stage of their development. That doesn't rule out maturity and improvement. It certainly doesn't rule out criticism.
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@nepia said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@nepia said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
Might have been his best game in black. He did everything that was asked of him and more, without the brain farts that have plagued him in the past
I'm going to allow myself a farking great portion of smug satisfaction. His class was always there but for whatever reason some were willing to write him off age 19. It just goes to show that players mature, develop and improve. Writing anyone off that young is simply idiotic.
It's particularly ironic that of the 2 players who were written off as "shit" very young, one is now the captain and the other played a blinder and saved the game last week.
was savea written on on here as shit? he started before my time on TSF
Saying he's not as good as McCaw or Cane doesn't mean he was written off.
Which would be nice if that was the way it was argued. Which it most certainly wasn't. It's not a counterpoint it's pure nonsense. He was straight out referred to as shit and not good enough.
"Yeah Ardie's good but not McCaw good." Is an argument used by no one ever.
Nah, there's never been a groundswell on here against Ardie not being good enough. Maybe the off posters but you get that with nearly every player.
Boulderdash. And as if TSF has ever done nuance.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
One thing TSF is terribly good at is straw man arguments.
It's entirely fine and proper to point out a player isn't up to Test rugby at that stage of their development. That doesn't rule out maturity and improvement. It certainly doesn't rule out criticism.
Again that's not the argument. It's when a player is ripped to shreds as being shit, not up to it etc. And again let's stop pretending nuance is a thing here.
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
Might have been his best game in black. He did everything that was asked of him and more, without the brain farts that have plagued him in the past
I'm going to allow myself a farking great portion of smug satisfaction. His class was always there but for whatever reason some were willing to write him off age 19. It just goes to show that players mature, develop and improve. Writing anyone off that young is simply idiotic.
It's particularly ironic that of the 2 players who were written off as "shit" very young, one is now the captain and the other played a blinder and saved the game last week.
I think generally , we( the public ) go too early writing young players off ,
Nonu was probably the one that stands out the most for me , man didnt he prove some people wrong
Conversely there’s also a tendency to hype a young player too early because he does one or two things that we the public might like.
One example for me was I really rated Angus MacDonald. To me he had long term All Black written all over him when I saw him play as a 20 year old and then in 03-04 for the Blues. He made the ABs in 05 and I thought he was our versatile lock/blindside for the bench for years to come. I even said on here that I thought he could be a leader in the ABs.
He played two tests.
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@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
Might have been his best game in black. He did everything that was asked of him and more, without the brain farts that have plagued him in the past
I'm going to allow myself a farking great portion of smug satisfaction. His class was always there but for whatever reason some were willing to write him off age 19. It just goes to show that players mature, develop and improve. Writing anyone off that young is simply idiotic.
It's particularly ironic that of the 2 players who were written off as "shit" very young, one is now the captain and the other played a blinder and saved the game last week.
I think generally , we( the public ) go too early writing young players off ,
Nonu was probably the one that stands out the most for me , man didnt he prove some people wrong
Conversely there’s also a tendency to hype a young player too early because he does one or two things that we the public might like.
One example for me was I really rated Angus MacDonald. To me he had long term All Black written all over him when I saw him play as a 20 year old and then in 03-04 for the Blues. He made the ABs in 05 and I thought he was our versatile lock/blindside for the bench for years to come. I even said on here that I thought he could be a leader in the ABs.
He played two tests.
And of course, how could we forget Ice.... 🎣
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
Might have been his best game in black. He did everything that was asked of him and more, without the brain farts that have plagued him in the past
I'm going to allow myself a farking great portion of smug satisfaction. His class was always there but for whatever reason some were willing to write him off age 19. It just goes to show that players mature, develop and improve. Writing anyone off that young is simply idiotic.
It's particularly ironic that of the 2 players who were written off as "shit" very young, one is now the captain and the other played a blinder and saved the game last week.
I think generally , we( the public ) go too early writing young players off ,
Nonu was probably the one that stands out the most for me , man didnt he prove some people wrong
Conversely there’s also a tendency to hype a young player too early because he does one or two things that we the public might like.
One example for me was I really rated Angus MacDonald. To me he had long term All Black written all over him when I saw him play as a 20 year old and then in 03-04 for the Blues. He made the ABs in 05 and I thought he was our versatile lock/blindside for the bench for years to come. I even said on here that I thought he could be a leader in the ABs.
He played two tests.
And of course, how could we forget Ice.... 🎣
I think he's a difficult one because at that time there were so many other good players in all the positions he could play in. At 12 you had Mauger and McAllister. At 13 you had Conrad. There were about 100 good players on the wing, and at fullback you had Mils. Trying to fit him in somewhere was a problem. I reckon if he'd been around now he'd be straight in there.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
Might have been his best game in black. He did everything that was asked of him and more, without the brain farts that have plagued him in the past
I'm going to allow myself a farking great portion of smug satisfaction. His class was always there but for whatever reason some were willing to write him off age 19. It just goes to show that players mature, develop and improve. Writing anyone off that young is simply idiotic.
It's particularly ironic that of the 2 players who were written off as "shit" very young, one is now the captain and the other played a blinder and saved the game last week.
I think generally , we( the public ) go too early writing young players off ,
Nonu was probably the one that stands out the most for me , man didnt he prove some people wrong
Conversely there’s also a tendency to hype a young player too early because he does one or two things that we the public might like.
One example for me was I really rated Angus MacDonald. To me he had long term All Black written all over him when I saw him play as a 20 year old and then in 03-04 for the Blues. He made the ABs in 05 and I thought he was our versatile lock/blindside for the bench for years to come. I even said on here that I thought he could be a leader in the ABs.
He played two tests.
And of course, how could we forget Ice.... 🎣
I think he's a difficult one because at that time there were so many other good players in all the positions he could play in. At 12 you had Mauger and McAllister. At 13 you had Conrad. There were about 100 good players on the wing, and at fullback you had Mils. Trying to fit him in somewhere was a problem. I reckon if he'd been around now he'd be straight in there.
He was brilliant at 15 in his first super season with the Canes. It is well documented that he was thrown into the ABs very quickly. A few seasons at full back might have helped him ease in
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Ice was a perfect example of how not to introduce a player to the ABs. Talked up setting massive expectations in the minds of the general public so when he invariably made a mistake the opprobrium was awful.
Pity because the coaches were right: He was amazingly talented. Some of the shit I saw him do on the field. He'd have been another we'd talk about in selecting GOATs.
