All Blacks vs Springboks II
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@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
I do like the format of the same opponent the next week. One small step away from a best of three series.
absolute best thing about the season, adds heaps
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@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@frye I don’t disagree. I don’t want to over analyse it but on the weekend it looked like some of our players were trying a bit too hard rather than playing their natural game. This after they looked pretty geed up and ready to go at the start.
When Foster got the AB gig there were two things that worried me from his time at the Chiefs.
Firstly his selection policy. He'd get "good" ideas, like defusing the Boks kicking game with Bridge, rather than just selecting the best player. (Linked to his tendency to play favourites.)
Mostly he's been doing a good job at selections so far this year, but it wasn't that long ago we had Jordie Barrett on the wing, as another "good" idea. The selection or not of Bridge this weekend will be a bit of a tell in that regard. I half suspect that he will have the idea of giving Bridge another chance, despite a better wing not playing, but we'll see.
Secondly, the Chiefs consistent ability to collapse when expected to win easily. Foster made a Super Rugby final, only for it to be one of the most embarrassing losses of his career, because his team were simply not ready for it mentally. He seems to be good at firing his teams up when they are under-dogs, and poor when they are expected to win. The quality of the ABs, personally, saved him last weekend, but they were clearly not calm enough.
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@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@hooroo said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@hooroo said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
If the Boks decide to actually play rugby for a change, then it will be a decent contest. If they think they can win doing what they did last weekend again, they have rocks in their heads.
I'm not convinced. Their pack looks built for slow, grinding rugby. Trying to play with pace will be problematic.
If I were a Bok coach, I'd stick to the grind, but then add high risk rugby as soon as you win a penalty - classic NH rugby; only playing when under advantage. It's cynical, but damn effective.
I get that, and that is acceptable as a game of rugby. Kicking the ball away for up and unders for 80mins isn't rugby.
For me, this Springbok game plan is a massive humiliation of Springbok rugby. I'd be so embarrassed as an AB supporter if that was our strategy.
To me it's like they are just trying to reproduce the gameplan from 2009. The game has moved on.
As for their injury breaks, remember that it was the Boks faking injuries that changed the substition rules back in the day. Nothing new there either.
Their big chance to beat us was the first game, we'll be much better for the second. And their captain also said they had made a mistake trying to play too much rugby for the second Wallaby game, so I don't think their gameplan is going to change.
Take Bridge out of our team how do they score points?
We are always good for a few dumb penalties in goal kicking range and have been for the past 15 years!
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@chester-draws wasn't Reiko dropped after his non-try last year, that was schoolboy stuff by Bridge on that missed take, and when you watch the replay the lack of urgency once he realises he missed it is, well missing too.
I've not been overly bothered with his selection recently and think most of the 'amusing' bullying is over the top, but I think his game on the weekend is worthy of being dropped.
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@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@hooroo said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@hooroo said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
If the Boks decide to actually play rugby for a change, then it will be a decent contest. If they think they can win doing what they did last weekend again, they have rocks in their heads.
I'm not convinced. Their pack looks built for slow, grinding rugby. Trying to play with pace will be problematic.
If I were a Bok coach, I'd stick to the grind, but then add high risk rugby as soon as you win a penalty - classic NH rugby; only playing when under advantage. It's cynical, but damn effective.
I get that, and that is acceptable as a game of rugby. Kicking the ball away for up and unders for 80mins isn't rugby.
For me, this Springbok game plan is a massive humiliation of Springbok rugby. I'd be so embarrassed as an AB supporter if that was our strategy.
To me it's like they are just trying to reproduce the gameplan from 2009. The game has moved on.
As for their injury breaks, remember that it was the Boks faking injuries that changed the substition rules back in the day. Nothing new there either.
Their big chance to beat us was the first game, we'll be much better for the second. And their captain also said they had made a mistake trying to play too much rugby for the second Wallaby game, so I don't think their gameplan is going to change.
Take Bridge out of our team how do they score points?
We are always good for a few dumb penalties in goal kicking range and have been for the past 15 years!
Yeah we had Bridge 5, Akira 3, Moody 3 on stupid actions off the top of my head. Not forced, just bad and/or dumb
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@machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@hooroo said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@hooroo said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
If the Boks decide to actually play rugby for a change, then it will be a decent contest. If they think they can win doing what they did last weekend again, they have rocks in their heads.
I'm not convinced. Their pack looks built for slow, grinding rugby. Trying to play with pace will be problematic.
If I were a Bok coach, I'd stick to the grind, but then add high risk rugby as soon as you win a penalty - classic NH rugby; only playing when under advantage. It's cynical, but damn effective.
I get that, and that is acceptable as a game of rugby. Kicking the ball away for up and unders for 80mins isn't rugby.
For me, this Springbok game plan is a massive humiliation of Springbok rugby. I'd be so embarrassed as an AB supporter if that was our strategy.
To me it's like they are just trying to reproduce the gameplan from 2009. The game has moved on.
As for their injury breaks, remember that it was the Boks faking injuries that changed the substition rules back in the day. Nothing new there either.
Their big chance to beat us was the first game, we'll be much better for the second. And their captain also said they had made a mistake trying to play too much rugby for the second Wallaby game, so I don't think their gameplan is going to change.
Take Bridge out of our team how do they score points?
We are always good for a few dumb penalties in goal kicking range and have been for the past 15 years!
Yeah we had Bridge 5, Akira 3, Moody 3 on stupid actions off the top of my head. Not forced, just bad and/or dumb
Two penalties by Retallick led both to points, one was dumb, the other one less so.
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@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@hooroo said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@hooroo said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
If the Boks decide to actually play rugby for a change, then it will be a decent contest. If they think they can win doing what they did last weekend again, they have rocks in their heads.
I'm not convinced. Their pack looks built for slow, grinding rugby. Trying to play with pace will be problematic.
If I were a Bok coach, I'd stick to the grind, but then add high risk rugby as soon as you win a penalty - classic NH rugby; only playing when under advantage. It's cynical, but damn effective.
I get that, and that is acceptable as a game of rugby. Kicking the ball away for up and unders for 80mins isn't rugby.
For me, this Springbok game plan is a massive humiliation of Springbok rugby. I'd be so embarrassed as an AB supporter if that was our strategy.
To me it's like they are just trying to reproduce the gameplan from 2009. The game has moved on.
As for their injury breaks, remember that it was the Boks faking injuries that changed the substition rules back in the day. Nothing new there either.
Their big chance to beat us was the first game, we'll be much better for the second. And their captain also said they had made a mistake trying to play too much rugby for the second Wallaby game, so I don't think their gameplan is going to change.
Take Bridge out of our team how do they score points?
We are always good for a few dumb penalties in goal kicking range and have been for the past 15 years!
Yeah we had Bridge 5, Akira 3, Moody 3 on stupid actions off the top of my head. Not forced, just bad and/or dumb
Two penalties by Retallick led both to points, one was dumb, the other one less so.
Which one is which?
Halfbacks deserve being pushed and you'll hardly find a game that it doesn't happen. Refs should make allowances for them being annoying little fucks.
As for the 'blocking' one? I didn't think he changed line. He is entitled to remain on his running line even if he does look back and see someone coming.
NB: these comments were typed by someone wearing a 'BBBR can do no wrong' t-shirt -
@crucial I think they grabbed TJ through a ruck and it affected his next action, yet any other game, you look at a 9 wrong when he is about to play the ball you get pinged.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@crucial I think they grabbed TJ through a ruck and it affected his next action, yet any other game, you look at a 9 wrong when he is about to play the ball you get pinged.
It was a push after the ball had gone wasn't it? Probably one that was well deserved.
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@crucial nah, was one where he def had the ball or grabbing the ball...go trawl through the match thread to find the real time comment I made and work out where in the game it was haha
Oh, the feed I was on was about 30 sec delay, so take that into your calculations!
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@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
If everyone fit:
Joe/Codie/Nepo/BBBR/Scottie/Paps/Akira/Ardie(c)/Weber/BB/Havili/Roane/ALB/WJ/Jordie.
Karl/Sami/Ofa/Tupou/Blackadder/TJP/Ritchie/Reece.
We need Ardie or Akira jumping at back of lineout.
Swap Reece out for DMac and that would be my selection too. If Paps not fit and Jacobson not sick then Ardie to 7 and Jacobson to 8.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@crucial I think they grabbed TJ through a ruck and it affected his next action, yet any other game, you look at a 9 wrong when he is about to play the ball you get pinged.
early doors Kolisi piled through a ruck and smoked the halfback and won the turnover, but the ref was just 'play on'. Tough eh
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@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@crucial I think they grabbed TJ through a ruck and it affected his next action, yet any other game, you look at a 9 wrong when he is about to play the ball you get pinged.
early doors Kolisi piled through a ruck and smoked the halfback and won the turnover, but the ref was just 'play on'. Tough eh
Yeah I was bemused by that one considering how it's usually reffed.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@crucial nah, was one where he def had the ball or grabbing the ball...go trawl through the match thread to find the real time comment I made and work out where in the game it was haha
Oh, the feed I was on was about 30 sec delay, so take that into your calculations!
Just looked back on the so called highlights. My bad, I had two different instances mixed up. It was Akira that pushed Faf after the ball had gone. BBBRs one was for coming in the side, not playing the HB. There was no halfback there but the Saffa was clearly part of the ruck, not waiting to play the ball.
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@oompb said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Kolbey back at practice today, van Staden out with a shoulder injury, maybe long term.
If they can cut out that silly kicking in the All Blacks half and keep up their defense and forwards domination they can easily put away the All Blacks.
It's now or never.
Good luck
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@crucial if it isnt the guy wearing 9 (or the back up) then they are usually ok to have a crack at, its the guy wearing 9 that is protected.
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@chester-draws said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@frye I don’t disagree. I don’t want to over analyse it but on the weekend it looked like some of our players were trying a bit too hard rather than playing their natural game. This after they looked pretty geed up and ready to go at the start.
When Foster got the AB gig there were two things that worried me from his time at the Chiefs.
Firstly his selection policy. He'd get "good" ideas, like defusing the Boks kicking game with Bridge, rather than just selecting the best player. (Linked to his tendency to play favourites.)
Mostly he's been doing a good job at selections so far this year, but it wasn't that long ago we had Jordie Barrett on the wing, as another "good" idea. The selection or not of Bridge this weekend will be a bit of a tell in that regard. I half suspect that he will have the idea of giving Bridge another chance, despite a better wing not playing, but we'll see.
Secondly, the Chiefs consistent ability to collapse when expected to win easily. Foster made a Super Rugby final, only for it to be one of the most embarrassing losses of his career, because his team were simply not ready for it mentally. He seems to be good at firing his teams up when they are under-dogs, and poor when they are expected to win. The quality of the ABs, personally, saved him last weekend, but they were clearly not calm enough.
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Was pretty universally accepted as a "good" idea last weekend.
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Not sure they were expected to win that Super final.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@crucial if it isnt the guy wearing 9 (or the back up) then they are usually ok to have a crack at, its the guy wearing 9 that is protected.
Not in this case BBBR turned around and saw an opportunity. Just came from an obvious angle for the clean out.
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@crucial said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@hooroo said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@hooroo said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
If the Boks decide to actually play rugby for a change, then it will be a decent contest. If they think they can win doing what they did last weekend again, they have rocks in their heads.
I'm not convinced. Their pack looks built for slow, grinding rugby. Trying to play with pace will be problematic.
If I were a Bok coach, I'd stick to the grind, but then add high risk rugby as soon as you win a penalty - classic NH rugby; only playing when under advantage. It's cynical, but damn effective.
I get that, and that is acceptable as a game of rugby. Kicking the ball away for up and unders for 80mins isn't rugby.
For me, this Springbok game plan is a massive humiliation of Springbok rugby. I'd be so embarrassed as an AB supporter if that was our strategy.
To me it's like they are just trying to reproduce the gameplan from 2009. The game has moved on.
As for their injury breaks, remember that it was the Boks faking injuries that changed the substition rules back in the day. Nothing new there either.
Their big chance to beat us was the first game, we'll be much better for the second. And their captain also said they had made a mistake trying to play too much rugby for the second Wallaby game, so I don't think their gameplan is going to change.
Take Bridge out of our team how do they score points?
We are always good for a few dumb penalties in goal kicking range and have been for the past 15 years!
Yeah we had Bridge 5, Akira 3, Moody 3 on stupid actions off the top of my head. Not forced, just bad and/or dumb
Two penalties by Retallick led both to points, one was dumb, the other one less so.
Which one is which?
Halfbacks deserve being pushed and you'll hardly find a game that it doesn't happen. Refs should make allowances for them being annoying little fucks.
As for the 'blocking' one? I didn't think he changed line. He is entitled to remain on his running line even if he does look back and see someone coming.
NB: these comments were typed by someone wearing a 'BBBR can do no wrong' t-shirtBoth were blatant stupid penalties, no rain. Most totally changed his line, and Akira pushed faf over well after ball gone and he failed to get to the next ruck. Dumb shit stuff
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@machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@crucial said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@hooroo said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@hooroo said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
If the Boks decide to actually play rugby for a change, then it will be a decent contest. If they think they can win doing what they did last weekend again, they have rocks in their heads.
I'm not convinced. Their pack looks built for slow, grinding rugby. Trying to play with pace will be problematic.
If I were a Bok coach, I'd stick to the grind, but then add high risk rugby as soon as you win a penalty - classic NH rugby; only playing when under advantage. It's cynical, but damn effective.
I get that, and that is acceptable as a game of rugby. Kicking the ball away for up and unders for 80mins isn't rugby.
For me, this Springbok game plan is a massive humiliation of Springbok rugby. I'd be so embarrassed as an AB supporter if that was our strategy.
To me it's like they are just trying to reproduce the gameplan from 2009. The game has moved on.
As for their injury breaks, remember that it was the Boks faking injuries that changed the substition rules back in the day. Nothing new there either.
Their big chance to beat us was the first game, we'll be much better for the second. And their captain also said they had made a mistake trying to play too much rugby for the second Wallaby game, so I don't think their gameplan is going to change.
Take Bridge out of our team how do they score points?
We are always good for a few dumb penalties in goal kicking range and have been for the past 15 years!
Yeah we had Bridge 5, Akira 3, Moody 3 on stupid actions off the top of my head. Not forced, just bad and/or dumb
Two penalties by Retallick led both to points, one was dumb, the other one less so.
Which one is which?
Halfbacks deserve being pushed and you'll hardly find a game that it doesn't happen. Refs should make allowances for them being annoying little fucks.
As for the 'blocking' one? I didn't think he changed line. He is entitled to remain on his running line even if he does look back and see someone coming.
NB: these comments were typed by someone wearing a 'BBBR can do no wrong' t-shirtBoth were blatant stupid penalties, no rain. Most totally changed his line, and Akira pushed faf over well after ball gone and he failed to get to the next ruck. Dumb shit stuff
Still, pushing a halfback should be allowed
...and if I was going to split hairs the line BBBR ran was straight. He just hoped to intersect with the chaser and when he got to the point of intersection first put the brakes on to cause the collision.
