All Blacks vs Springboks II
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@oompb said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@hooroo you need less flashy forwards in the backs, doing what forwards are suppose to do.
Apparently there isn't need for any back after number 9. I don't know how you can comment on what happens in the backs?
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@hooroo said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
If the Boks decide to actually play rugby for a change, then it will be a decent contest. If they think they can win doing what they did last weekend again, they have rocks in their heads.
I'm not convinced. Their pack looks built for slow, grinding rugby. Trying to play with pace will be problematic.
If I were a Bok coach, I'd stick to the grind, but then add high risk rugby as soon as you win a penalty - classic NH rugby; only playing when under advantage. It's cynical, but damn effective.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@hooroo said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
If the Boks decide to actually play rugby for a change, then it will be a decent contest. If they think they can win doing what they did last weekend again, they have rocks in their heads.
I'm not convinced. Their pack looks built for slow, grinding rugby. Trying to play with pace will be problematic.
If I were a Bok coach, I'd stick to the grind, but then add high risk rugby as soon as you win a penalty - classic NH rugby; only playing when under advantage. It's cynical, but damn effective.
I get that, and that is acceptable as a game of rugby. Kicking the ball away for up and unders for 80mins isn't rugby.
For me, this Springbok game plan is a massive humiliation of Springbok rugby. I'd be so embarrassed as an AB supporter if that was our strategy.
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@hooroo said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@hooroo said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
If the Boks decide to actually play rugby for a change, then it will be a decent contest. If they think they can win doing what they did last weekend again, they have rocks in their heads.
I'm not convinced. Their pack looks built for slow, grinding rugby. Trying to play with pace will be problematic.
If I were a Bok coach, I'd stick to the grind, but then add high risk rugby as soon as you win a penalty - classic NH rugby; only playing when under advantage. It's cynical, but damn effective.
I get that, and that is acceptable as a game of rugby. Kicking the ball away for up and unders for 80mins isn't rugby.
For me, this Springbok game plan is a massive humiliation of Springbok rugby. I'd be so embarrassed as an AB supporter if that was our strategy.
To me it's like they are just trying to reproduce the gameplan from 2009. The game has moved on.
As for their injury breaks, remember that it was the Boks faking injuries that changed the substition rules back in the day. Nothing new there either.
Their big chance to beat us was the first game, we'll be much better for the second. And their captain also said they had made a mistake trying to play too much rugby for the second Wallaby game, so I don't think their gameplan is going to change.
Take Bridge out of our team how do they score points?
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@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@chris Definitely Mo'unga on the bench (unless BB is injured). It would make no sense to leave him out of the 23 entirely after making him go through MIQ for two weeks for just this game.
I disagree, he went through that 'just in case' if Beaudy had been injured in one of the last few games we'd be bedsperate for him, if he's fit then he's just back up.
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We need to come back at them by forcing them to play our way. That means forcing the issue of quick play by being ready for restarts quickly, taking quick taps even when we may get a bit less distance from it, telling the ref we are ready when they aren't. Don't drop the farking ball! Do everything that they don't want us to.
Keep moving their forwards around.
One more thing. Get the refs to enforce players in front of the kicker moving forward! Watchat 'anaylis' clip in the other thread and you will see how the forwards run straight from the scrum/breakdown to chase the halfbacks kicks before being put onside. In some cases it is those forwards that make the first tackle. -
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@chris Definitely Mo'unga on the bench (unless BB is injured). It would make no sense to leave him out of the 23 entirely after making him go through MIQ for two weeks for just this game.
I disagree, he went through that 'just in case' if Beaudy had been injured in one of the last few games we'd be be desperate for him, if he's fit then he's just back up.
Too disruptive to bring him in IMO. Potentially causes problems with the bench as well.
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@oompb said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
If they can cut out that silly kicking in the All Blacks half and keep up their defense and forwards domination they can easily put away the All Blacks.
They coaching team were totally. happy with that, even mentioned that it was only the bounce of the ball. I’ll eat my e-hat if the Boks change anything up for game 2 at all. Their tactics almost worked, do it better and they’ll win, seems to be the noises coming from the Bok camp and media.
I disagree, but we will see. It will be interesting to see how much of the ABs errors were due to pressure vs just being crap. I’m really looking forward to this game.
Redemption is there for both sides!
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I don't see too many changes in the ABs. Go back to the preferred loosie mix with Blackadder on the bench (I'd like to see DP over Ardie for the Boks but they aren't going to drop the captain). Maybe give Havili a break and start QT (with the hope of a faster recycle and retention) alongside ALB. RI to start on wing in place of Bridge and covering midfield. That affords RM on the bench and possibly Reece instead of DMac.
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@crucial said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Go back to the preferred loosie mix with Blackadder on the bench (I'd like to see DP over Ardie for the Boks but they aren't going to drop the captain).
Can see Dalton coming in. Ethan has had two massive games in two weeks - coming off the pine is probably not a bad idea.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@crucial said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Go back to the preferred loosie mix with Blackadder on the bench (I'd like to see DP over Ardie for the Boks but they aren't going to drop the captain).
Can see Dalton coming in. Ethan has had two massive games in two weeks - coming off the pine is probably not a bad idea.
Yep, that is an option as well. Akira to come off (I wonder if he has been overworked as well? Their tracking stats will know) after a while and LJ to move to 6, AS to 8 and DP at 7.
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@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
I do like the format of the same opponent the next week. One small step away from a best of three series.
absolute best thing about the season, adds heaps
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@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@frye I don’t disagree. I don’t want to over analyse it but on the weekend it looked like some of our players were trying a bit too hard rather than playing their natural game. This after they looked pretty geed up and ready to go at the start.
When Foster got the AB gig there were two things that worried me from his time at the Chiefs.
Firstly his selection policy. He'd get "good" ideas, like defusing the Boks kicking game with Bridge, rather than just selecting the best player. (Linked to his tendency to play favourites.)
Mostly he's been doing a good job at selections so far this year, but it wasn't that long ago we had Jordie Barrett on the wing, as another "good" idea. The selection or not of Bridge this weekend will be a bit of a tell in that regard. I half suspect that he will have the idea of giving Bridge another chance, despite a better wing not playing, but we'll see.
Secondly, the Chiefs consistent ability to collapse when expected to win easily. Foster made a Super Rugby final, only for it to be one of the most embarrassing losses of his career, because his team were simply not ready for it mentally. He seems to be good at firing his teams up when they are under-dogs, and poor when they are expected to win. The quality of the ABs, personally, saved him last weekend, but they were clearly not calm enough.
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@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@hooroo said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@hooroo said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
If the Boks decide to actually play rugby for a change, then it will be a decent contest. If they think they can win doing what they did last weekend again, they have rocks in their heads.
I'm not convinced. Their pack looks built for slow, grinding rugby. Trying to play with pace will be problematic.
If I were a Bok coach, I'd stick to the grind, but then add high risk rugby as soon as you win a penalty - classic NH rugby; only playing when under advantage. It's cynical, but damn effective.
I get that, and that is acceptable as a game of rugby. Kicking the ball away for up and unders for 80mins isn't rugby.
For me, this Springbok game plan is a massive humiliation of Springbok rugby. I'd be so embarrassed as an AB supporter if that was our strategy.
To me it's like they are just trying to reproduce the gameplan from 2009. The game has moved on.
As for their injury breaks, remember that it was the Boks faking injuries that changed the substition rules back in the day. Nothing new there either.
Their big chance to beat us was the first game, we'll be much better for the second. And their captain also said they had made a mistake trying to play too much rugby for the second Wallaby game, so I don't think their gameplan is going to change.
Take Bridge out of our team how do they score points?
We are always good for a few dumb penalties in goal kicking range and have been for the past 15 years!
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@chester-draws wasn't Reiko dropped after his non-try last year, that was schoolboy stuff by Bridge on that missed take, and when you watch the replay the lack of urgency once he realises he missed it is, well missing too.
I've not been overly bothered with his selection recently and think most of the 'amusing' bullying is over the top, but I think his game on the weekend is worthy of being dropped.
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@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@hooroo said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@hooroo said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
If the Boks decide to actually play rugby for a change, then it will be a decent contest. If they think they can win doing what they did last weekend again, they have rocks in their heads.
I'm not convinced. Their pack looks built for slow, grinding rugby. Trying to play with pace will be problematic.
If I were a Bok coach, I'd stick to the grind, but then add high risk rugby as soon as you win a penalty - classic NH rugby; only playing when under advantage. It's cynical, but damn effective.
I get that, and that is acceptable as a game of rugby. Kicking the ball away for up and unders for 80mins isn't rugby.
For me, this Springbok game plan is a massive humiliation of Springbok rugby. I'd be so embarrassed as an AB supporter if that was our strategy.
To me it's like they are just trying to reproduce the gameplan from 2009. The game has moved on.
As for their injury breaks, remember that it was the Boks faking injuries that changed the substition rules back in the day. Nothing new there either.
Their big chance to beat us was the first game, we'll be much better for the second. And their captain also said they had made a mistake trying to play too much rugby for the second Wallaby game, so I don't think their gameplan is going to change.
Take Bridge out of our team how do they score points?
We are always good for a few dumb penalties in goal kicking range and have been for the past 15 years!
Yeah we had Bridge 5, Akira 3, Moody 3 on stupid actions off the top of my head. Not forced, just bad and/or dumb
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@machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@hooroo said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@hooroo said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
If the Boks decide to actually play rugby for a change, then it will be a decent contest. If they think they can win doing what they did last weekend again, they have rocks in their heads.
I'm not convinced. Their pack looks built for slow, grinding rugby. Trying to play with pace will be problematic.
If I were a Bok coach, I'd stick to the grind, but then add high risk rugby as soon as you win a penalty - classic NH rugby; only playing when under advantage. It's cynical, but damn effective.
I get that, and that is acceptable as a game of rugby. Kicking the ball away for up and unders for 80mins isn't rugby.
For me, this Springbok game plan is a massive humiliation of Springbok rugby. I'd be so embarrassed as an AB supporter if that was our strategy.
To me it's like they are just trying to reproduce the gameplan from 2009. The game has moved on.
As for their injury breaks, remember that it was the Boks faking injuries that changed the substition rules back in the day. Nothing new there either.
Their big chance to beat us was the first game, we'll be much better for the second. And their captain also said they had made a mistake trying to play too much rugby for the second Wallaby game, so I don't think their gameplan is going to change.
Take Bridge out of our team how do they score points?
We are always good for a few dumb penalties in goal kicking range and have been for the past 15 years!
Yeah we had Bridge 5, Akira 3, Moody 3 on stupid actions off the top of my head. Not forced, just bad and/or dumb
Two penalties by Retallick led both to points, one was dumb, the other one less so.
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@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@hooroo said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@hooroo said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
If the Boks decide to actually play rugby for a change, then it will be a decent contest. If they think they can win doing what they did last weekend again, they have rocks in their heads.
I'm not convinced. Their pack looks built for slow, grinding rugby. Trying to play with pace will be problematic.
If I were a Bok coach, I'd stick to the grind, but then add high risk rugby as soon as you win a penalty - classic NH rugby; only playing when under advantage. It's cynical, but damn effective.
I get that, and that is acceptable as a game of rugby. Kicking the ball away for up and unders for 80mins isn't rugby.
For me, this Springbok game plan is a massive humiliation of Springbok rugby. I'd be so embarrassed as an AB supporter if that was our strategy.
To me it's like they are just trying to reproduce the gameplan from 2009. The game has moved on.
As for their injury breaks, remember that it was the Boks faking injuries that changed the substition rules back in the day. Nothing new there either.
Their big chance to beat us was the first game, we'll be much better for the second. And their captain also said they had made a mistake trying to play too much rugby for the second Wallaby game, so I don't think their gameplan is going to change.
Take Bridge out of our team how do they score points?
We are always good for a few dumb penalties in goal kicking range and have been for the past 15 years!
Yeah we had Bridge 5, Akira 3, Moody 3 on stupid actions off the top of my head. Not forced, just bad and/or dumb
Two penalties by Retallick led both to points, one was dumb, the other one less so.
Which one is which?
Halfbacks deserve being pushed and you'll hardly find a game that it doesn't happen. Refs should make allowances for them being annoying little fucks.
As for the 'blocking' one? I didn't think he changed line. He is entitled to remain on his running line even if he does look back and see someone coming.
NB: these comments were typed by someone wearing a 'BBBR can do no wrong' t-shirt
