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@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
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@hooroo said in All Whites:
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Soccer NZ, yet again thinking of ways to become even more irrelevant to the majority of New Zealanders...
You reckon the majority of NZers will be against this change? Why?
"Get woke go broke" exists as a phrase for a reason and that will be my summary.
I don't understand that. Sounds pretty weak.
Your obviously looking for an argument but I'm not going to give you one sorry. If you really think this is going to make NZ soccer more relevant and swell player numbers then jolly good. You can come online and say I told you so if it pleases you.
? No. I just don't think it will make them more irrelevant as you suggested.
Looking for an argument! That's fucking gold. Go Internetter!
I really have no idea why your so angry about this, my view is that it's just virtue signaling that simply turns off a large percentage of the population. Hence get woke go broke comment.
This isn't even anything to do with ideology but a repeatable phenomenon we see world-wide, Nickelodeon, CNN, Nike, NBA to name a few...Nickelodeon is about a third of what it once was, CNN lead ballooning, Nike not moving, NBA record low viewership's...
I'm just calling out cause and effect based off observed facts because increasingly woke simply increasingly alienates larger and larger cross sections of society. Whether you agree with that society or not - that's what happens...
I just can't see a name change affecting the All Whites unfavourably or otherwise.
What I find is that people squeal like little piggies when this sort of thing is brought up but after a bit it all goes away and everything remains the same bar the name/action
If the name change won't make any difference then why change it? I think that's the argument here. It's not a rebranding in the traditional sense, it's simply a weird knee-jerk reaction to a tiny minority getting "offended".
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@shark said in All Whites:
This shouldn't surprise anyone. To the casual observer, the name All Whites would have to raise an eyebrow, minimum. Even to most of the football world to whom our roundball identity hangs by a thread, the name would have to conjure the occasional "what the fuck?"
Those in the rugby world will realise the connection. Whether they're aware of how the All Blacks moniker came about, or not, they'll be familiar with the brand and the uniform and will realise that 'All Whites' is simply piggy-backing off New Zealands' most recognisable sporting brand. They'll know there is no malice or underlying intent in the name, and that it (both) came about during an age when these things were analysed far less and people didn't have the heightened level of sensitivity and desperation to be outraged that they have today.
But today is today, and maybe it's appropriate to review a team name that really only piggy-backs on a far more renowned one, as Rapido says has an increasingly tenuous link to a formerly unique playing strip and might just be so borderline offensive it has to go.
I think it's a good way for New Zealand to differentiate itself on the international stage; explain that the name reflects only white people are allowed to play soccer and black people are forced to play rugby.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
Soccer NZ, yet again thinking of ways to become even more irrelevant to the majority of New Zealanders...
You reckon the majority of NZers will be against this change? Why?
"Get woke go broke" exists as a phrase for a reason and that will be my summary.
I don't understand that. Sounds pretty weak.
Your obviously looking for an argument but I'm not going to give you one sorry. If you really think this is going to make NZ soccer more relevant and swell player numbers then jolly good. You can come online and say I told you so if it pleases you.
? No. I just don't think it will make them more irrelevant as you suggested.
Looking for an argument! That's fucking gold. Go Internetter!
I really have no idea why your so angry about this, my view is that it's just virtue signaling that simply turns off a large percentage of the population. Hence get woke go broke comment.
This isn't even anything to do with ideology but a repeatable phenomenon we see world-wide, Nickelodeon, CNN, Nike, NBA to name a few...Nickelodeon is about a third of what it once was, CNN lead ballooning, Nike not moving, NBA record low viewership's...
I'm just calling out cause and effect based off observed facts because increasingly woke simply increasingly alienates larger and larger cross sections of society. Whether you agree with that society or not - that's what happens...
I just can't see a name change affecting the All Whites unfavourably or otherwise.
What I find is that people squeal like little piggies when this sort of thing is brought up but after a bit it all goes away and everything remains the same bar the name/action
If the name change won't make any difference then why change it? I think that's the argument here. It's not a rebranding in the traditional sense, it's simply a weird knee-jerk reaction to a tiny minority getting "offended".
Or it's a sign of the times that people can get upset about or go with flow.
For me, as a supporter of the All Whites, I am happy that they stay the same and I am happy if they change. Either way, this decision doesn't affect me one bit
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@hooroo said in All Whites:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
Soccer NZ, yet again thinking of ways to become even more irrelevant to the majority of New Zealanders...
You reckon the majority of NZers will be against this change? Why?
"Get woke go broke" exists as a phrase for a reason and that will be my summary.
I don't understand that. Sounds pretty weak.
Your obviously looking for an argument but I'm not going to give you one sorry. If you really think this is going to make NZ soccer more relevant and swell player numbers then jolly good. You can come online and say I told you so if it pleases you.
? No. I just don't think it will make them more irrelevant as you suggested.
Looking for an argument! That's fucking gold. Go Internetter!
I really have no idea why your so angry about this, my view is that it's just virtue signaling that simply turns off a large percentage of the population. Hence get woke go broke comment.
This isn't even anything to do with ideology but a repeatable phenomenon we see world-wide, Nickelodeon, CNN, Nike, NBA to name a few...Nickelodeon is about a third of what it once was, CNN lead ballooning, Nike not moving, NBA record low viewership's...
I'm just calling out cause and effect based off observed facts because increasingly woke simply increasingly alienates larger and larger cross sections of society. Whether you agree with that society or not - that's what happens...
I just can't see a name change affecting the All Whites unfavourably or otherwise.
What I find is that people squeal like little piggies when this sort of thing is brought up but after a bit it all goes away and everything remains the same bar the name/action
If the name change won't make any difference then why change it? I think that's the argument here. It's not a rebranding in the traditional sense, it's simply a weird knee-jerk reaction to a tiny minority getting "offended".
Or it's a sign of the times that people can get upset about or go with flow.
For me, as a supporter of the All Whites, I am happy that they stay the same and I am happy if they change. Either way, this decision doesn't affect me one bit
Probably a stance that is better for one's blood pressure. Maybe we would use the opportunity to branch out and use some other NZ icon? Ferns and Kiwis have been done quite a bit
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@hooroo said in All Whites:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
Soccer NZ, yet again thinking of ways to become even more irrelevant to the majority of New Zealanders...
You reckon the majority of NZers will be against this change? Why?
"Get woke go broke" exists as a phrase for a reason and that will be my summary.
I don't understand that. Sounds pretty weak.
Your obviously looking for an argument but I'm not going to give you one sorry. If you really think this is going to make NZ soccer more relevant and swell player numbers then jolly good. You can come online and say I told you so if it pleases you.
? No. I just don't think it will make them more irrelevant as you suggested.
Looking for an argument! That's fucking gold. Go Internetter!
I really have no idea why your so angry about this, my view is that it's just virtue signaling that simply turns off a large percentage of the population. Hence get woke go broke comment.
This isn't even anything to do with ideology but a repeatable phenomenon we see world-wide, Nickelodeon, CNN, Nike, NBA to name a few...Nickelodeon is about a third of what it once was, CNN lead ballooning, Nike not moving, NBA record low viewership's...
I'm just calling out cause and effect based off observed facts because increasingly woke simply increasingly alienates larger and larger cross sections of society. Whether you agree with that society or not - that's what happens...
I just can't see a name change affecting the All Whites unfavourably or otherwise.
What I find is that people squeal like little piggies when this sort of thing is brought up but after a bit it all goes away and everything remains the same bar the name/action
If the name change won't make any difference then why change it? I think that's the argument here. It's not a rebranding in the traditional sense, it's simply a weird knee-jerk reaction to a tiny minority getting "offended".
Or it's a sign of the times that people can get upset about or go with flow.
For me, as a supporter of the All Whites, I am happy that they stay the same and I am happy if they change. Either way, this decision doesn't affect me one bit
That's nice but incredibly enough other people might have a different opinion to you. Ultimately, if the only reason for changing a name (which is almost 40 years old and has until now ruffled zero feathers) is because a minuscule minority might be offended, then that's not a very good reason for changing it. Would you not agree with that?
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@rancid-schnitzel said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
Soccer NZ, yet again thinking of ways to become even more irrelevant to the majority of New Zealanders...
You reckon the majority of NZers will be against this change? Why?
"Get woke go broke" exists as a phrase for a reason and that will be my summary.
I don't understand that. Sounds pretty weak.
Your obviously looking for an argument but I'm not going to give you one sorry. If you really think this is going to make NZ soccer more relevant and swell player numbers then jolly good. You can come online and say I told you so if it pleases you.
? No. I just don't think it will make them more irrelevant as you suggested.
Looking for an argument! That's fucking gold. Go Internetter!
I really have no idea why your so angry about this, my view is that it's just virtue signaling that simply turns off a large percentage of the population. Hence get woke go broke comment.
This isn't even anything to do with ideology but a repeatable phenomenon we see world-wide, Nickelodeon, CNN, Nike, NBA to name a few...Nickelodeon is about a third of what it once was, CNN lead ballooning, Nike not moving, NBA record low viewership's...
I'm just calling out cause and effect based off observed facts because increasingly woke simply increasingly alienates larger and larger cross sections of society. Whether you agree with that society or not - that's what happens...
I just can't see a name change affecting the All Whites unfavourably or otherwise.
What I find is that people squeal like little piggies when this sort of thing is brought up but after a bit it all goes away and everything remains the same bar the name/action
If the name change won't make any difference then why change it? I think that's the argument here. It's not a rebranding in the traditional sense, it's simply a weird knee-jerk reaction to a tiny minority getting "offended".
Or it's a sign of the times that people can get upset about or go with flow.
For me, as a supporter of the All Whites, I am happy that they stay the same and I am happy if they change. Either way, this decision doesn't affect me one bit
That's nice but incredibly enough other people might have a different opinion to you. Ultimately, if the only reason for changing a name (which is almost 40 years old and has until now ruffled zero feathers) is because a minuscule minority might be offended, then that's not a very good reason for changing it. Would you not agree with that?
I can see the logic for change and I'm not upset by it. 40 year is nothing in terms of history and it will be looked back in 200 years as a nothing part of their history.
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@hooroo said in All Whites:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
Soccer NZ, yet again thinking of ways to become even more irrelevant to the majority of New Zealanders...
You reckon the majority of NZers will be against this change? Why?
"Get woke go broke" exists as a phrase for a reason and that will be my summary.
I don't understand that. Sounds pretty weak.
Your obviously looking for an argument but I'm not going to give you one sorry. If you really think this is going to make NZ soccer more relevant and swell player numbers then jolly good. You can come online and say I told you so if it pleases you.
? No. I just don't think it will make them more irrelevant as you suggested.
Looking for an argument! That's fucking gold. Go Internetter!
I really have no idea why your so angry about this, my view is that it's just virtue signaling that simply turns off a large percentage of the population. Hence get woke go broke comment.
This isn't even anything to do with ideology but a repeatable phenomenon we see world-wide, Nickelodeon, CNN, Nike, NBA to name a few...Nickelodeon is about a third of what it once was, CNN lead ballooning, Nike not moving, NBA record low viewership's...
I'm just calling out cause and effect based off observed facts because increasingly woke simply increasingly alienates larger and larger cross sections of society. Whether you agree with that society or not - that's what happens...
I just can't see a name change affecting the All Whites unfavourably or otherwise.
What I find is that people squeal like little piggies when this sort of thing is brought up but after a bit it all goes away and everything remains the same bar the name/action
If the name change won't make any difference then why change it? I think that's the argument here. It's not a rebranding in the traditional sense, it's simply a weird knee-jerk reaction to a tiny minority getting "offended".
Or it's a sign of the times that people can get upset about or go with flow.
For me, as a supporter of the All Whites, I am happy that they stay the same and I am happy if they change. Either way, this decision doesn't affect me one bit
That's nice but incredibly enough other people might have a different opinion to you. Ultimately, if the only reason for changing a name (which is almost 40 years old and has until now ruffled zero feathers) is because a minuscule minority might be offended, then that's not a very good reason for changing it. Would you not agree with that?
I can see the logic for change and I'm not upset by it. 40 year is nothing in terms of history and it will be looked back in 200 years as a nothing part of their history.
What logic is that? The logic that we change something that a tiny number of people find offensive? There are probably more people who consider horse racing inhumane. Should we ban horse racing because of them? It's not like anyone will give a crap in 200 years right?
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@rancid-schnitzel said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
Soccer NZ, yet again thinking of ways to become even more irrelevant to the majority of New Zealanders...
You reckon the majority of NZers will be against this change? Why?
"Get woke go broke" exists as a phrase for a reason and that will be my summary.
I don't understand that. Sounds pretty weak.
Your obviously looking for an argument but I'm not going to give you one sorry. If you really think this is going to make NZ soccer more relevant and swell player numbers then jolly good. You can come online and say I told you so if it pleases you.
? No. I just don't think it will make them more irrelevant as you suggested.
Looking for an argument! That's fucking gold. Go Internetter!
I really have no idea why your so angry about this, my view is that it's just virtue signaling that simply turns off a large percentage of the population. Hence get woke go broke comment.
This isn't even anything to do with ideology but a repeatable phenomenon we see world-wide, Nickelodeon, CNN, Nike, NBA to name a few...Nickelodeon is about a third of what it once was, CNN lead ballooning, Nike not moving, NBA record low viewership's...
I'm just calling out cause and effect based off observed facts because increasingly woke simply increasingly alienates larger and larger cross sections of society. Whether you agree with that society or not - that's what happens...
I just can't see a name change affecting the All Whites unfavourably or otherwise.
What I find is that people squeal like little piggies when this sort of thing is brought up but after a bit it all goes away and everything remains the same bar the name/action
If the name change won't make any difference then why change it? I think that's the argument here. It's not a rebranding in the traditional sense, it's simply a weird knee-jerk reaction to a tiny minority getting "offended".
Or it's a sign of the times that people can get upset about or go with flow.
For me, as a supporter of the All Whites, I am happy that they stay the same and I am happy if they change. Either way, this decision doesn't affect me one bit
That's nice but incredibly enough other people might have a different opinion to you. Ultimately, if the only reason for changing a name (which is almost 40 years old and has until now ruffled zero feathers) is because a minuscule minority might be offended, then that's not a very good reason for changing it. Would you not agree with that?
I can see the logic for change and I'm not upset by it. 40 year is nothing in terms of history and it will be looked back in 200 years as a nothing part of their history.
What logic is that? The logic that we change something that a tiny number of people find offensive? There are probably more people who consider horse racing inhumane. Should we ban horse racing because of them? It's not like anyone will give a crap in 200 years right?
I'm just saying I can understand the logic and I'm OK with that. I will keep supporting NZ Football whatever their name is
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@hooroo said in All Whites:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
Soccer NZ, yet again thinking of ways to become even more irrelevant to the majority of New Zealanders...
You reckon the majority of NZers will be against this change? Why?
"Get woke go broke" exists as a phrase for a reason and that will be my summary.
I don't understand that. Sounds pretty weak.
Your obviously looking for an argument but I'm not going to give you one sorry. If you really think this is going to make NZ soccer more relevant and swell player numbers then jolly good. You can come online and say I told you so if it pleases you.
? No. I just don't think it will make them more irrelevant as you suggested.
Looking for an argument! That's fucking gold. Go Internetter!
I really have no idea why your so angry about this, my view is that it's just virtue signaling that simply turns off a large percentage of the population. Hence get woke go broke comment.
This isn't even anything to do with ideology but a repeatable phenomenon we see world-wide, Nickelodeon, CNN, Nike, NBA to name a few...Nickelodeon is about a third of what it once was, CNN lead ballooning, Nike not moving, NBA record low viewership's...
I'm just calling out cause and effect based off observed facts because increasingly woke simply increasingly alienates larger and larger cross sections of society. Whether you agree with that society or not - that's what happens...
I just can't see a name change affecting the All Whites unfavourably or otherwise.
What I find is that people squeal like little piggies when this sort of thing is brought up but after a bit it all goes away and everything remains the same bar the name/action
If the name change won't make any difference then why change it? I think that's the argument here. It's not a rebranding in the traditional sense, it's simply a weird knee-jerk reaction to a tiny minority getting "offended".
Or it's a sign of the times that people can get upset about or go with flow.
For me, as a supporter of the All Whites, I am happy that they stay the same and I am happy if they change. Either way, this decision doesn't affect me one bit
That's nice but incredibly enough other people might have a different opinion to you. Ultimately, if the only reason for changing a name (which is almost 40 years old and has until now ruffled zero feathers) is because a minuscule minority might be offended, then that's not a very good reason for changing it. Would you not agree with that?
I can see the logic for change and I'm not upset by it. 40 year is nothing in terms of history and it will be looked back in 200 years as a nothing part of their history.
What logic is that? The logic that we change something that a tiny number of people find offensive? There are probably more people who consider horse racing inhumane. Should we ban horse racing because of them? It's not like anyone will give a crap in 200 years right?
I'm just saying I can understand the logic and I'm OK with that. I will keep supporting NZ Football whatever their name is
So you'd be totally fine with horse racing being banned because it offends a tiny minority who don't even watch the sport?
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@rancid-schnitzel said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
Soccer NZ, yet again thinking of ways to become even more irrelevant to the majority of New Zealanders...
You reckon the majority of NZers will be against this change? Why?
"Get woke go broke" exists as a phrase for a reason and that will be my summary.
I don't understand that. Sounds pretty weak.
Your obviously looking for an argument but I'm not going to give you one sorry. If you really think this is going to make NZ soccer more relevant and swell player numbers then jolly good. You can come online and say I told you so if it pleases you.
? No. I just don't think it will make them more irrelevant as you suggested.
Looking for an argument! That's fucking gold. Go Internetter!
I really have no idea why your so angry about this, my view is that it's just virtue signaling that simply turns off a large percentage of the population. Hence get woke go broke comment.
This isn't even anything to do with ideology but a repeatable phenomenon we see world-wide, Nickelodeon, CNN, Nike, NBA to name a few...Nickelodeon is about a third of what it once was, CNN lead ballooning, Nike not moving, NBA record low viewership's...
I'm just calling out cause and effect based off observed facts because increasingly woke simply increasingly alienates larger and larger cross sections of society. Whether you agree with that society or not - that's what happens...
I just can't see a name change affecting the All Whites unfavourably or otherwise.
What I find is that people squeal like little piggies when this sort of thing is brought up but after a bit it all goes away and everything remains the same bar the name/action
If the name change won't make any difference then why change it? I think that's the argument here. It's not a rebranding in the traditional sense, it's simply a weird knee-jerk reaction to a tiny minority getting "offended".
Or it's a sign of the times that people can get upset about or go with flow.
For me, as a supporter of the All Whites, I am happy that they stay the same and I am happy if they change. Either way, this decision doesn't affect me one bit
That's nice but incredibly enough other people might have a different opinion to you. Ultimately, if the only reason for changing a name (which is almost 40 years old and has until now ruffled zero feathers) is because a minuscule minority might be offended, then that's not a very good reason for changing it. Would you not agree with that?
I can see the logic for change and I'm not upset by it. 40 year is nothing in terms of history and it will be looked back in 200 years as a nothing part of their history.
What logic is that? The logic that we change something that a tiny number of people find offensive? There are probably more people who consider horse racing inhumane. Should we ban horse racing because of them? It's not like anyone will give a crap in 200 years right?
I'm just saying I can understand the logic and I'm OK with that. I will keep supporting NZ Football whatever their name is
So you'd be totally fine with horse racing being banned because it offends a tiny minority who don't even watch the sport?
This thread is about All Whites changing their name, which I am fully OK with.
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It's all a smokescreen so they can wear more (or all) black. Because dressing like a 1980s referee is da bomb.
The new name will be a problem, as all the good ones are gone. The pukeko joke someone made up thread isn't really a joke, sadly.
The All Whites name being potentially offensive is obviously as ridiculous as Native Americn's campaigning for Liverpool to change their nickname and colours. E.g. is completely fake and entirely made up by the party doing the 'investigation/research'. E.g. by themselves.
All a smokescreen of management mumbo jumbo and cliches so that they can wear a bit more back.
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@rapido said in All Whites:
It's all a smokescreen so they can wear more (or all) black. Because dressing like a 1980s referee is da bomb.
The new name will be a problem, as all the good ones are gone. The pukeko joke someone made up thread isn't really a joke, sadly.
The All Whites name being potentially offensive is obviously as ridiculous as Native Americn's campaigning for Liverpool to change their nickname and colours. E.g. is completely fake and entirely made up by the party doing the 'investigation/research'. E.g. by themselves.
All a smokescreen of management mumbo jumbo and cliches so that they can wear a bit more back.
How about the Katipos? Small but deadly 🕷. Pukekos are farken pests, so it's a no from me
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@canefan said in All Whites:
@rapido said in All Whites:
It's all a smokescreen so they can wear more (or all) black. Because dressing like a 1980s referee is da bomb.
The new name will be a problem, as all the good ones are gone. The pukeko joke someone made up thread isn't really a joke, sadly.
The All Whites name being potentially offensive is obviously as ridiculous as Native Americn's campaigning for Liverpool to change their nickname and colours. E.g. is completely fake and entirely made up by the party doing the 'investigation/research'. E.g. by themselves.
All a smokescreen of management mumbo jumbo and cliches so that they can wear a bit more back.
How about the Katipos? Small but deadly 🕷. Pukekos are farken pests, so it's a no from me
How does that apply to the All Whites ? Beats me that’s for sure.
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I don't agree with this decision / proposal, but I'm certainly not up in arms enough about it to be that bothered - thats the world we live in, and a lot of leaders / politicians (side note - not the same thing), think these sort of optics change things. Reality is they don't. In fact, they just create further divide, as witnessed in the above exchange.
There's a pretty obvious place that this may well lead on to though with our most widely known sports team. Am fairly sure Titania McGrath with find an article somewhere in the near future talking about cultural appropriation there.
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