Springboks v British & Irish Lions I
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@gibbonrib said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@kiwiwomble said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
I feel like I’m missing something, there is loads of banter on the socials about the game being a bit of a hiding, felt to me like they limped over the line
Banter on socials is not known for being the most accurate reflection of reality. But any BIL fans who really think that was a hiding are deluded. They were in control at the end, and were unquestionably the better team for half the game. But it was a close game, a few moments of luck and a few decisions the other way would have made it a very different game.
According to Planet Rugby ratings the Lions won't have a chance in tests 2 and 3. The Boks pretty much all played well below their normal level and got 5s to 7s, while the Lions all played at the top of theirs, and were getting 8s and 9s. Hardly any wonder so many deluded fans with media of this quality. I felt the game turned on Itoje getting away with his kneel on players turnover. If there was a penalty or a card there, it would likely have been fairly different as the Boks were well on top.
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I have to say, id rather things this close just be given, ive always been a fan of of theyve earned it give it, i dont care if there is a mm gap between their hand and the ball, or in this case his foot is 100mm infront when running at full tilt
Falling back on some uni photogrammetry, his foot is well of the ground as he's kicking it but theyve lined the line up perfectly in line with his toe even at this angle, if we drew a vertical line straight down from his toe is would most likely be infront of that yellow line so is may be even closer than it looks here
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@kiwiwomble said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
I have to say, id rather things this close just be given, ive always been a fan of of theyve earned it give it, i dont care if there is a mm gap between their hand and the ball, or in this case his foot is 100mm infront when running at full tilt
Falling back on some uni photogrammetry, his foot is well of the ground as he's kicking it but theyve lined the line up perfectly in line with his toe even at this angle, if we drew a vertical line straight down from his toe is would most likely be infront of that yellow line so is may be even closer than it looks here
Yeah get what you mean. I was confident at the the time it wasn't a try, and more confident after seeing the replay, but I wasn't confident that it wouldn't be awarded.
It was close enough that I wouldn't have been outraged if it was allowed. It was reasonable for he the ref to say he thought was ok on field, and it would have been reasonable enough for the TMO to say there wasn't enough certainty to overturn the result. Luckily for the Lions he decided there was, but very fine margins. Similar to the decision that there was no knock-on before Faf's try.
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I haven't seen the pass from this angle - given the tendency to judge on direction of the ball rather than the movement of the hands to allow for forward momentum, I suspect it was flat at best.
Certainly nothing as clear as as the foot in front once a line is drawn.
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@kiwiwomble said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Falling back on some uni photogrammetry, his foot is well of the ground as he's kicking it but theyve lined the line up perfectly in line with his toe even at this angle, if we drew a vertical line straight down from his toe is would most likely be infront of that yellow line so is may be even closer than it looks here
While I understand your argument, see Premiership football for the implementation. The number of "shoulder/elbow is offside" calls has left everyone fustrated I think...
The real challenge is how many camera angles do you need before you can get an unobstructed view of any event and the answer is "a lot" combined with a lot of time to review them all.
It's the path too madness I tells ya!
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@pecotrain yeah, but those are people being judged as off side, im referring to the person setting the offside line, the foot kicking the ball is off the ground and so this camera angle is projecting the line behind where a vertical line would put it
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Well that sucked! At least for this Bok fan.
But congrats to the BILs.Thought the Boks looked really good in the first half. Felt pretty confident when it was time for the oranges. But then the Boks just seemed to drop a gear. Less accurate and some pretty stupid penalties given away. I started wondering about fitness levels...
The Lions by contrast seemed to get better and started playing with more confidence and freedom. Good win for them.I thought the match officials were fine. Some calls I didn't love, but that would apply both ways and happens in every rugby game. The only one I feel a bit aggrieved by would be when Itoje (who I thought had a great game) won a penalty 5m from the BIL tryline poaching the ball. To my mind, he was on his knees and the penalty should have been the other way. But cest la vie. Pretty sure a BILs fan could equally point to a call favouring the Boks that was incorrect, so one can't have a whinge about one incident.
The Boks will have a bit of work to do for the 2nd test. More discipline, clearer heads required for the full 80. And the much vaunted replacement frontrow needs to hit the scrumming machine. They looked poor and got monstered a few times. Pretty surprising.
Looking forward to the next one.
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@gibbonrib said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@kiwiwomble said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
I feel like I’m missing something, there is loads of banter on the socials about the game being a bit of a hiding, felt to me like they limped over the line
Banter on socials is not known for being the most accurate reflection of reality. But any BIL fans who really think that was a hiding are deluded. They were in control at the end, and were unquestionably the better team for half the game. But it was a close game, a few moments of luck and a few decisions the other way would have made it a very different game.
Scorewise, maybe not but given that social media was suggesting a 10+ point win to SA on the back of set piece dominance and generally being a better all round team, I can understand the change in position.
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@gibbonrib said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@kiwiwomble said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
I feel like I’m missing something, there is loads of banter on the socials about the game being a bit of a hiding, felt to me like they limped over the line
Banter on socials is not known for being the most accurate reflection of reality. But any BIL fans who really think that was a hiding are deluded. They were in control at the end, and were unquestionably the better team for half the game. But it was a close game, a few moments of luck and a few decisions the other way would have made it a very different game.
….and the fern is ?
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@billy-webb it would be nice to see the ball get past your 9 and 10 a bit more!
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@act-crusader said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@billy-webb it would be nice to see the ball get past your 9 and 10 a bit more!
Yeah - I hear you.
But it just isn't really the Bok game plan to spread it wide too often.
They tend to play it very structured and will only shift wider when play is broken.
The plan has produced results (not on Saturday mind you) so I guess they'll stick with it. -
@mn5 said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@gibbonrib said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@kiwiwomble said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
I feel like I’m missing something, there is loads of banter on the socials about the game being a bit of a hiding, felt to me like they limped over the line
Banter on socials is not known for being the most accurate reflection of reality. But any BIL fans who really think that was a hiding are deluded. They were in control at the end, and were unquestionably the better team for half the game. But it was a close game, a few moments of luck and a few decisions the other way would have made it a very different game.
….and the fern is ?
Antisocial media
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@gibbonrib said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@kiwiwomble said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
I feel like I’m missing something, there is loads of banter on the socials about the game being a bit of a hiding, felt to me like they limped over the line
Banter on socials is not known for being the most accurate reflection of reality. But any BIL fans who really think that was a hiding are deluded. They were in control at the end, and were unquestionably the better team for half the game. But it was a close game, a few moments of luck and a few decisions the other way would have made it a very different game.
Agreed
Curry and Watson in the bin would have resulted in a SA win IMHO
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@billy-webb said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@act-crusader said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@billy-webb it would be nice to see the ball get past your 9 and 10 a bit more!
Yeah - I hear you.
But it just isn't really the Bok game plan to spread it wide too often.
They tend to play it very structured and will only shift wider when play is broken.
The plan has produced results (not on Saturday mind you) so I guess they'll stick with it.It was like watching Wales with Shane on the wing.
Kolbe must be the most dangerous and underutilised player in World rugby.
Criminal.
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@mikethesnow said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@gibbonrib said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@kiwiwomble said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
I feel like I’m missing something, there is loads of banter on the socials about the game being a bit of a hiding, felt to me like they limped over the line
Banter on socials is not known for being the most accurate reflection of reality. But any BIL fans who really think that was a hiding are deluded. They were in control at the end, and were unquestionably the better team for half the game. But it was a close game, a few moments of luck and a few decisions the other way would have made it a very different game.
Agreed
Curry and Watson in the bin would have resulted in a SA win IMHO
This is interesting:
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@pakman said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@mikethesnow said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@gibbonrib said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@kiwiwomble said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
I feel like I’m missing something, there is loads of banter on the socials about the game being a bit of a hiding, felt to me like they limped over the line
Banter on socials is not known for being the most accurate reflection of reality. But any BIL fans who really think that was a hiding are deluded. They were in control at the end, and were unquestionably the better team for half the game. But it was a close game, a few moments of luck and a few decisions the other way would have made it a very different game.
Agreed
Curry and Watson in the bin would have resulted in a SA win IMHO
This is interesting:
What's more interesting is that "Jaco Johan" is clearly Rassie's alias account being used to spread high quality video footage and put pressure on the refs
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@pakman said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@pakman said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Watched at pub, and banter made commentators hard to hear. But stat flashed up of penalty count of 8 -1 in second half. Without a rewatch, that seems unlikely to have been a fair reflection.
17 - 10 at 50, and I had a feeling missed conversion could be important, which it was.
A bit like a boxing bout in the old days where ref’s call was the decider.
Nothing in it, and both sides will be better next week. Selection will be very interesting!Now watched third quarter.
Penalty against Kwagga for strip was bogus. Yes, it was similar to Daly one in first, but Nic Berry NOT the same. Ball had been ripped before call of tackle. No doubt, Berry felt he was being consistent, but that was three that shouldn’t have been added.
Le Roux non-try was correct result for me, but call wrong. Allowing for the angle he was behind boot. But previous pass clearly forward.
Not seen commented on, but Price’s left foot clearances against left touch were solid gold in Q3.
Not only completely relieved territory pressure, but also led promptly to Lions try and also one of the penalties.
Kwagga kept getting sacked. Three or four times!
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@gibbonrib nah, penalty on only - just a bump to remind the halfback that you are there.
But... That clear out on Mapimpi is a shocker. VDM comes in from completely the wrong side, lifts the legs almost vertically. I am tempted to say he could have doid.
