Springboks v British & Irish Lions I
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@kiwiwomble said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
I feel like I’m missing something, there is loads of banter on the socials about the game being a bit of a hiding, felt to me like they limped over the line
Banter on socials is not known for being the most accurate reflection of reality. But any BIL fans who really think that was a hiding are deluded. They were in control at the end, and were unquestionably the better team for half the game. But it was a close game, a few moments of luck and a few decisions the other way would have made it a very different game.
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@mikethesnow said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@pecotrain said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@mikethesnow
Only news I can find is https://www.ruck.co.uk/lions-injury-update-biggar-and-jones-out-russell-returns/
When asked about Biggar, Gatland responded: “We’ll have to see. It’s a tricky one”I assume that means its not tricky at all and he's not available. Think he already had a knee niggle so this has made it worse.
From the article it says he failed his HIA.
At the time I thought it was a knee injury and some shrewd/dodgy coaching from Gatland to take Biggar off for a HIA so Daly could come back on.
There's nothing shrewd about finding a way to get Daly back on
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@pecotrain said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@pakman said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Point being that Boks being 5 behind at end was unlucky, and allowed Lions to close it out. If 2 points different ball game!
5 points means you need to manufacture a try rather than earn a penalty - given that all of SA's try scoring opportunities in the game after the 5 minute mark (when Itoje got his hads on the ball in questionable circumstances) came from mistakes that created opportunities from broken play rather than genuine pressure and broken play was just as likely to result in Lions points as Springbok points.
Your analysis of the reffing is right around Hamish Watson (definite card for tip tackle) but ignores SA having the penalty count going 8 v 1 against them in the second half without losing anyone for deliberate infringing. Of the three TMO incidents for tries, one was clearly correct (knock on by Kolbe), one benefitted the Boks (Fafs try) and the third appears to be correct from the front on angle which wasn't shown during the game but I assume was seen by the TMO.
So whats the Springbok gameplan for the 2nd test? Pretend everything is OK, do the same again and hope they can benefit from TMO mistakes to get more tries?
would love to see this angle for the pass before it too, i thought that looked worse than Le Roux
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My immediate reaction was that it was forward and offside, but both were very close. None of the replays I've seen since have changed my mind.
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@gibbonrib said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@kiwiwomble said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
I feel like I’m missing something, there is loads of banter on the socials about the game being a bit of a hiding, felt to me like they limped over the line
Banter on socials is not known for being the most accurate reflection of reality. But any BIL fans who really think that was a hiding are deluded. They were in control at the end, and were unquestionably the better team for half the game. But it was a close game, a few moments of luck and a few decisions the other way would have made it a very different game.
According to Planet Rugby ratings the Lions won't have a chance in tests 2 and 3. The Boks pretty much all played well below their normal level and got 5s to 7s, while the Lions all played at the top of theirs, and were getting 8s and 9s. Hardly any wonder so many deluded fans with media of this quality. I felt the game turned on Itoje getting away with his kneel on players turnover. If there was a penalty or a card there, it would likely have been fairly different as the Boks were well on top.
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I have to say, id rather things this close just be given, ive always been a fan of of theyve earned it give it, i dont care if there is a mm gap between their hand and the ball, or in this case his foot is 100mm infront when running at full tilt
Falling back on some uni photogrammetry, his foot is well of the ground as he's kicking it but theyve lined the line up perfectly in line with his toe even at this angle, if we drew a vertical line straight down from his toe is would most likely be infront of that yellow line so is may be even closer than it looks here
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@kiwiwomble said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
I have to say, id rather things this close just be given, ive always been a fan of of theyve earned it give it, i dont care if there is a mm gap between their hand and the ball, or in this case his foot is 100mm infront when running at full tilt
Falling back on some uni photogrammetry, his foot is well of the ground as he's kicking it but theyve lined the line up perfectly in line with his toe even at this angle, if we drew a vertical line straight down from his toe is would most likely be infront of that yellow line so is may be even closer than it looks here
Yeah get what you mean. I was confident at the the time it wasn't a try, and more confident after seeing the replay, but I wasn't confident that it wouldn't be awarded.
It was close enough that I wouldn't have been outraged if it was allowed. It was reasonable for he the ref to say he thought was ok on field, and it would have been reasonable enough for the TMO to say there wasn't enough certainty to overturn the result. Luckily for the Lions he decided there was, but very fine margins. Similar to the decision that there was no knock-on before Faf's try.
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I haven't seen the pass from this angle - given the tendency to judge on direction of the ball rather than the movement of the hands to allow for forward momentum, I suspect it was flat at best.
Certainly nothing as clear as as the foot in front once a line is drawn.
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@kiwiwomble said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Falling back on some uni photogrammetry, his foot is well of the ground as he's kicking it but theyve lined the line up perfectly in line with his toe even at this angle, if we drew a vertical line straight down from his toe is would most likely be infront of that yellow line so is may be even closer than it looks here
While I understand your argument, see Premiership football for the implementation. The number of "shoulder/elbow is offside" calls has left everyone fustrated I think...
The real challenge is how many camera angles do you need before you can get an unobstructed view of any event and the answer is "a lot" combined with a lot of time to review them all.
It's the path too madness I tells ya!
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@pecotrain yeah, but those are people being judged as off side, im referring to the person setting the offside line, the foot kicking the ball is off the ground and so this camera angle is projecting the line behind where a vertical line would put it
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Well that sucked! At least for this Bok fan.
But congrats to the BILs.Thought the Boks looked really good in the first half. Felt pretty confident when it was time for the oranges. But then the Boks just seemed to drop a gear. Less accurate and some pretty stupid penalties given away. I started wondering about fitness levels...
The Lions by contrast seemed to get better and started playing with more confidence and freedom. Good win for them.I thought the match officials were fine. Some calls I didn't love, but that would apply both ways and happens in every rugby game. The only one I feel a bit aggrieved by would be when Itoje (who I thought had a great game) won a penalty 5m from the BIL tryline poaching the ball. To my mind, he was on his knees and the penalty should have been the other way. But cest la vie. Pretty sure a BILs fan could equally point to a call favouring the Boks that was incorrect, so one can't have a whinge about one incident.
The Boks will have a bit of work to do for the 2nd test. More discipline, clearer heads required for the full 80. And the much vaunted replacement frontrow needs to hit the scrumming machine. They looked poor and got monstered a few times. Pretty surprising.
Looking forward to the next one.
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@gibbonrib said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@kiwiwomble said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
I feel like I’m missing something, there is loads of banter on the socials about the game being a bit of a hiding, felt to me like they limped over the line
Banter on socials is not known for being the most accurate reflection of reality. But any BIL fans who really think that was a hiding are deluded. They were in control at the end, and were unquestionably the better team for half the game. But it was a close game, a few moments of luck and a few decisions the other way would have made it a very different game.
Scorewise, maybe not but given that social media was suggesting a 10+ point win to SA on the back of set piece dominance and generally being a better all round team, I can understand the change in position.
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@gibbonrib said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@kiwiwomble said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
I feel like I’m missing something, there is loads of banter on the socials about the game being a bit of a hiding, felt to me like they limped over the line
Banter on socials is not known for being the most accurate reflection of reality. But any BIL fans who really think that was a hiding are deluded. They were in control at the end, and were unquestionably the better team for half the game. But it was a close game, a few moments of luck and a few decisions the other way would have made it a very different game.
….and the fern is ?
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@billy-webb it would be nice to see the ball get past your 9 and 10 a bit more!
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@act-crusader said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@billy-webb it would be nice to see the ball get past your 9 and 10 a bit more!
Yeah - I hear you.
But it just isn't really the Bok game plan to spread it wide too often.
They tend to play it very structured and will only shift wider when play is broken.
The plan has produced results (not on Saturday mind you) so I guess they'll stick with it. -
@mn5 said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@gibbonrib said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@kiwiwomble said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
I feel like I’m missing something, there is loads of banter on the socials about the game being a bit of a hiding, felt to me like they limped over the line
Banter on socials is not known for being the most accurate reflection of reality. But any BIL fans who really think that was a hiding are deluded. They were in control at the end, and were unquestionably the better team for half the game. But it was a close game, a few moments of luck and a few decisions the other way would have made it a very different game.
….and the fern is ?
Antisocial media
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@gibbonrib said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@kiwiwomble said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
I feel like I’m missing something, there is loads of banter on the socials about the game being a bit of a hiding, felt to me like they limped over the line
Banter on socials is not known for being the most accurate reflection of reality. But any BIL fans who really think that was a hiding are deluded. They were in control at the end, and were unquestionably the better team for half the game. But it was a close game, a few moments of luck and a few decisions the other way would have made it a very different game.
Agreed
Curry and Watson in the bin would have resulted in a SA win IMHO
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@billy-webb said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@act-crusader said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@billy-webb it would be nice to see the ball get past your 9 and 10 a bit more!
Yeah - I hear you.
But it just isn't really the Bok game plan to spread it wide too often.
They tend to play it very structured and will only shift wider when play is broken.
The plan has produced results (not on Saturday mind you) so I guess they'll stick with it.It was like watching Wales with Shane on the wing.
Kolbe must be the most dangerous and underutilised player in World rugby.
Criminal.
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@mikethesnow said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@gibbonrib said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@kiwiwomble said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
I feel like I’m missing something, there is loads of banter on the socials about the game being a bit of a hiding, felt to me like they limped over the line
Banter on socials is not known for being the most accurate reflection of reality. But any BIL fans who really think that was a hiding are deluded. They were in control at the end, and were unquestionably the better team for half the game. But it was a close game, a few moments of luck and a few decisions the other way would have made it a very different game.
Agreed
Curry and Watson in the bin would have resulted in a SA win IMHO
This is interesting:
