All Blacks vs Fiji
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@smudge said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@tim said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@cgrant said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
MSR looks to have the necessary mongrel but he is quite lean.
Hasn't done shit at Super Rugby level, and is down the order at the Highlanders. Very overrated player in NZ, and is a scumbag criminal. Will never get near the All Blacks.
Just so we're clear I'm not Highlanders biased before I get cute about MSR - I think he should be nowhere near the ABs because of his behaviour off the field.
But, as others point out, All Blacks coaches play fast and loose with the "no dickheads" policy as they please.
Yes, that policy only applies when they don't like someone.
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Stat chat:
Leading the team in runs - BBBR and Roane with 10 each.
Rieko had 57 meters and 7 passes indicating that he’s growing into the center position.
Although he was a bit average, you cant beat the effort from BBBR who also had 24 meters (leading the starting five, which is OK but kind of highlights the problem we have with getting running meters)
Off the bench, Whitelock had five runs for 38 meters including a clean break, 1 defender beaten, and an offload.
Effort.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
Stat chat:
Leading the team in runs - BBBR and Roane with 10 each.
Rieko had 57 meters and 7 passes indicating that he’s growing into the center position.
Although he was a bit average, you cant beat the effort from BBBR who also had 24 meters (leading the starting five, which is OK but kind of highlights the problem we have with getting running meters)
Off the bench, Whitelock had five runs for 38 meters including a clean break, 1 defender beaten, and an offload.
Effort.
For the minutes you kind of just proved one can beat BBBR's effort -Whitelock- but hey he wasn't international test-level fit. And that steal/strip was great (stupid backs)...
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
Stat chat:
Leading the team in runs - BBBR and Roane with 10 each.
Rieko had 57 meters and 7 passes indicating that he’s growing into the center position.
Although he was a bit average, you cant beat the effort from BBBR who also had 24 meters (leading the starting five, which is OK but kind of highlights the problem we have with getting running meters)
Off the bench, Whitelock had five runs for 38 meters including a clean break, 1 defender beaten, and an offload.
Effort.
For the minutes you kind of just proved one can beat BBBR's effort -Whitelock- but hey he wasn't international test-level fit. And that steal/strip was great (stupid backs)...
I guess the point is that things are easier for the bench players against a tiring team. Your point stands though - I gave Whitelock a vote and not BBBR.
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@tim said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
BBBR
He was one of our best players, but he needs to improve massively based on tonight's showing. Was involved in one decent physical play, otherwise was really lackluster.
I mean, he's one we can give a pass mark to because he'll get better with the outing, surely?
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BBBR tried. He was at least the second best lock on the paddock, not sure how much support he got.
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@junior said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@old-samurai-jack said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
Lots of Frizzel comments and I agree but Pat T as well. Too many chances, been part of some poor AB losses. The guy has serious mana but we need to move on and get Vaai (sp?) or even Robinson in there. Someone who is all elbows and shoulders.
I'm a big Pat T fan and he deserves huge credit for his leadership at the Blues, but it really hasn't translated at Test level. He's had a couple of great games in Black where he's stepped up the plate, but he's too inconsistent and makes too many errors.
Doesn't need to be flash, just solid and he seems to lack a bit of the latter
His best moments in black have always been off the bench and no that role he’s played some important roles in late victories and really asserted himself physically including against big Bok and English packs. That may still be the best use of him at this level
I guess I'm a bit disappointed that he hasn't grown into more that a impact player off the bench.
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“I’m pretty pleased really,” Foster said afterwards. “They offered a pretty stern challenge.
LOL, garbage coach.
“We said at the start of the week they’ve got lot of players who are pretty experienced, particularly from overseas clubs, who have come together.
“They showed they are great athletes and obviously had moments in that game where they put us under quite a bit of pressure.
“But overall pleased with the way we came through that. It highlighted a few areas we're obviously going to have to tidy up a little bit, but I guess the composure to come back and win by nine tries against a team that chucked everything at us was pretty pleasing.”
FFS, we lost the collision for large periods of the game, and as fucking usual for the last 5 years we relied on going wide quickly.
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@tim said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
“I’m pretty pleased really,” Foster said afterwards. “They offered a pretty stern challenge.
LOL, garbage coach.
“We said at the start of the week they’ve got lot of players who are pretty experienced, particularly from overseas clubs, who have come together.
“They showed they are great athletes and obviously had moments in that game where they put us under quite a bit of pressure.
“But overall pleased with the way we came through that. It highlighted a few areas we're obviously going to have to tidy up a little bit, but I guess the composure to come back and win by nine tries against a team that chucked everything at us was pretty pleasing.”
Yep here we go again another shit year coming up under
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@chris These clowns are in their second year and are talking about "good learnings from being tested up front". They should have revised their game plan and selections to not be "tested up front" by fucking Fiji!
God damn these idiots talk up Frizzell every season, when even a blind man can tell he is so far off test level. Morons.
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@tim said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@chris These clowns are in their second year and are talking about "good learnings from being tested up front", they should have revised their game plan and selections to not be "tested up front" by fucking Fiji!
God damn these idiots talk up Frizzell every season, when even a blind man can tell he is so far off test level. Morons.
Yeah it’s a mess under these muppetts
The RC could be carnage if we play like this,passive as.
Unheard of to talk like that 10 years ago.
It would have been considered a loss to put out that sort of performance we saw today. -
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Our tight five were pretty damn impotent for 50 odd minutes, makes it hard to guage the rest.
Blackadder was fucking everywhere, it was awesome, but didn't exactly have much of an impact a fair bit of the time - how different would that be with a functioning tight five?
Frizzel was anonymous, Sotutu often ineffective, even Smith seemed to disappear into the mehther.
I really don't see what Bridge is doing that pretty much any other back (or a lot of forwards) can't do. Good timing hitting the line to throw a pass.... unless there's a defender near and then the movement dies with you. If that's what we want from our left wing then Havili is a million times better option.
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@bones said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
Our tight five were pretty damn impotent for 50 odd minutes, makes it hard to guage the rest.
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Blackadder was fucking everywhere, it was awesome, but didn't exactly have much of an impact a fair bit of the time - how different would that be with a functioning tight five?Frizzel was anonymous, Sotutu often ineffective, even Smith seemed to disappear into the mehther.
I really don't see what Bridge is doing that pretty much any other back (or a lot of forwards) can't do. Good timing hitting the line to throw a pass.... unless there's a defender near and then the movement dies with you. If that's what we want from our left wing then Havili is a million times better option.
You answered the question on Blackadder .
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@chris yep, I'd give Frizzel and Sotutu another chance, but I can't see them being anything other than handy to have in case of injury now. Plenty of time for Sotutu though.
Was a pretty dumb idea to start an extremely rusty Retallick alongside Tuipulotu who's never imposed himself when starting... then you had Laulala who was maybe going to steady up one side of a scrum and zero else.
Throw in one of those as a change in last week's team and I can't see them having as poor a game as today. I don't think anything was learned today, good training run.
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@sparky said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@tj said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
Looks like another really poor crowd. This can not be a good sign for NZ rugby
A North Vs South series would have been more interesting for the punters than these games.
In retrospect I think people underestimated Fiji
