Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final
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@rotated said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Completely off the top of my head……that side had all time legends in Hayden, Ponting, Gilly, Warne and McGrath. Very good players in Langer, Clark, Martyn, Hussey, Lee and Gillespie. ( I’m probably forgetting one or two )
Looking at it that way their team is better overall I’ll admit.
Obviously Warne is a massive difference.
As a seam unit I think you can make the argument whoever our best three quicks are equal to, and in some conditions superior to McGrath/Gillespie/Lee and we are certainly deeper than they were (hello Scott Muller!).
I don't see Gilchrist as a huge upgrade on Watling (at least peak Watling with the bat - he has kept as good as ever this test). Controversial, but Gilchrist's test record when Australia were put under pressure (2001 India tour, 2005 Ashes) is shithouse. Very good at making the third century, not so good at making the first. Watling is the reverse.
Batting wise is the issue. Ponting and Williamson cancel each other out. I love Roscoe, but apart from his purple patch post eye surgery it's hard to rate him better than Hayden or Steve Waugh in a test match environment. Conway is obviously a wild card - but early returns are promising.
Gilly changed the game with his batting returns and the rate at which he got them. You are probably right in that he flayed demoralised attacks more than saved matches for Oz though.
Taylor would fit in that “very good” Australian bracket ( in and around Hussey, Martyn, Langer, M Waugh, etc ) but no shame in that and time will tell where Jamieson and Conway end up.
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@virgil said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
And to round out thoughts on the match situation...the TAB currently says
Draw $1.32
NZ $3.90
India $11Don't forget - if the match is drawn - we share the title.
Those are crazy odds for India.
They could easily roll us for under 200 and build up a big lead.They could - but, with both fingers crossed and behind my back - they need quite a lot to go their way from here.
Firstly, they probably need the weather to be better tonight than forecast. And the moment the forecast would see the first session and a half washed out and light probably an issue in the third session.
Then they need us to fall in a heap...twice.
And they may need themselves to get bowled out for a middling (but not disastrous) score, because I'm not sure Virat would have the balls to set us a gettable target.
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@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@virgil said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
And to round out thoughts on the match situation...the TAB currently says
Draw $1.32
NZ $3.90
India $11Don't forget - if the match is drawn - we share the title.
Those are crazy odds for India.
They could easily roll us for under 200 and build up a big lead.They could - but, with both fingers crossed and behind my back - they need quite a lot to go their way from here.
Firstly, they probably need the weather to be better tonight than forecast. And the moment the forecast would see the first session and a half washed out and light probably an issue in the third session.
Then they need us to fall in a heap...twice.
And they may need themselves to get bowled out for a middling (but not disastrous) score, because I'm not sure Virat would have the balls to set us a gettable target.
I would suggest that is a particular talent we are well versed at, particularly if under pressure (even if that pressure is on themselves and not seen on the field). Hasnt happened much lately, but things like playing Australia or playing finals,.. recent consistency disappears
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@siam said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
There are indian fans somewhere in the world telling each other to check out the crap being spouted on a nz sports forum.😉😀
Basically we found Jamieson and Conway, otherwise we're the team that got annihilated in Australia last time
We also smacked the Indians in NZ, who then went on to do the Aussies in their own back yard. Cricket can be a funny game at times, and it's fair to say everything that could have gone wrong on that Aus tour did, including no prep, losing a bowler to injury early in a test, and getting the worst of the pink ball conditions. Credit to Aus though, they did not take their foot off the throat after our early set backs.
That's probably what grates Paine so much though. Knowing that all they needed to do to make the final was do exactly what we did, beat India at home. But instead they crumbled in front of their own fans. That has to hurt.
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@no-quarter said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@siam said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
There are indian fans somewhere in the world telling each other to check out the crap being spouted on a nz sports forum.😉😀
Basically we found Jamieson and Conway, otherwise we're the team that got annihilated in Australia last time
We also smacked the Indians in NZ, who then went on to do the Aussies in their own back yard. Cricket can be a funny game at times, and it's fair to say everything that could have gone wrong on that Aus tour did, including no prep, losing a bowler to injury early in a test, and getting the worst of the pink ball conditions. Credit to Aus though, they did not take their foot off the throat after our early set backs.
That's probably what grates Paine so much though. Knowing that all they needed to do to make the final was do exactly what we did, beat India at home. But instead they crumbled in front of their own fans. That has to hurt.
And at their fortress, just to rub a bit of salt in.
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@bovidae said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I only watched the 1st session live.
How much movement was Sharma getting? Gavaskar thought he would be the most threatening Indian bowler in those conditions.
I'm just watching the early overs - Ishant just bowled his 5th. Neither he nor Bumrah is getting a whole lot at present. Bumrah getting a bit of late tail - but almost after the ball is past the stumps.
Still in the lacquer phase, though.
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And further to this Bishop and Atherton just discussing they're getting less than the NZers because they're more seamers than swing bowlers - and there's not as much in the pitch.
Shami looks the most threatening to me - he's giving Tommy plenty of problems right now.
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I will say one thing about this test, the spirit the game is being played in. There's a lot of hard but clean cricket on the field aand yet still time for genuine smiles and good spirits. The weather may not be the best advertisement for cricket but the technical excellence and quality of the players has been exceptional - truly is a "Test". I'll take the couch hiding every day over some of the other innings I've seen played (England I'm looking at you)
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@siam said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
All set up for Colin with the bat🙂
Do we really need the endorsement of commentators and opposition fans? The play on the field says it all.
Whining about what people say when your team leaves it all out on the field is pretty lame.
Unlike in other threads, at least people aren't whining about the tone in the commentator's voice.
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@virgil Just on Jamieson. He’s taken five “Michelles” in a year and a half. A bloody excellent haul and rightly being lauded. Yet Muralitheran
chuckedbowled an astonishing SIXTY SEVEN in his whole career ( over 18 years ) which puts things in perspective. Next best is Warnie with 37 and after that our boy Paddles with 36.Based on longevity and amazing performance you could argue Murali is the greatest bowler ever, on paper he’s quite a bit better than Warne although he never had a bowler as good as McGrath to compete with I guess ( although Herath got a shitload too ! )
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@crazy-horse said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@siam said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
All set up for Colin with the bat🙂
Do we really need the endorsement of commentators and opposition fans? The play on the field says it all.
Whining about what people say when your team leaves it all out on the field is pretty lame.
Unlike in other threads, at least people aren't whining about the tone in the commentator's voice.
I whined about them being able to be heard " off camera"🙂
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@bovidae I watched 2nd and 3rd sessions. Shami looked the most dangerous. Bumrah did not seem to be firing at 100. Ishant had his moments. We really need Kane or Taylor to bat at least two sessions to build a decent lead. Scoring is not easy.
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@majorrage said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
At this point in time, zero chance of play today. But full days looking likely next 2 days.
Looks like it’s Dark side of the Ring on Neon tonight then.
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@damo said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@canefan said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@canefan said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Time for Wags to take his moment! Who the fuck said Wags shouldn't use the short stuff!
Probably the same fluffybunny who wanted Henry in the team.
Onya Wags !!!!!!!
It was farken Damo. Eat your words mate! 😁
Fucken was not.
Retract immediately.
I will begin drafting defamation proceedings in the morning.
@canefan
I note that you have not retracted your defamatory comment.I have drafted the defamation proceedings. Kindly indicate your Solicitor so that I may attend to service.
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@canefan said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@damo said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@canefan said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@canefan said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Come on Wags, bowl like someone just kicked your cat
Perfect man to bring on
I'd like him to give them a bit of the short stuff as well, just to force them back in the crease. Who needs swashbuckling stroke play? This test cricket is compelling
I don't agree. That would leak some runs. I reckon we are doing very well starving them of runs. Even if we aren't taking wickets we are frustrating the hell out of them and they aren't progressing their score.
Love the short stuff. Love Wags 💘
Damo read the post. You specifically said that Wags bowling short stuff would leak runs, ie not a good idea. Case dismissed
